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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 11:02 AM
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Your coupé in good tune and running condition will go fast enough without any alterations to kill yourself. You don't seem to appreciate what you got for very little money. A better way would be to restore the car to original condition and see it go up in value. Mercedes loves old-timers as they get free advertising out of it. Most Mercedes dealers have a lovingly restored oldie in their showrooms. Register your car with them so they know it's still running. Harald.
Why even post this?

If you don't like lowered cars move on to the next thread



I'd also like to know how you heated those springs kavadarci
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post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 04:28 PM
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ok, on the heating springs topic.
I didn't do mine myself, i took the car to a spring specialist shop, he's been in business more than 20 plus years.
i took the car there so he could cut them and lower the car,

he said why cut them? much more work and i will charge you more.
you have to take parts out and if you are off, the whole process starts again.

he said that he's been heating springs from day one to lower the cars and never had anyone come back and on the older cars is much easier because they have more turns and material to work comparing to the new ones.

in any case, i was willing to try and costed me 60 bucks.
it is the cheapest and best mod i've done.

here is a picture that shows where the springs were heated and as you can see they are not to be heated in the middle or top but the bottom and once heated they come together so close so there is no space and movement to cause any metal failure.

again, don't go crazy on me as i know this is not the proper way to lower the car but for me was the best and cheapest.

best is to spend thousands of dollars on a euro version springs and shocks specifically designed for the car not affecting the ride much and giving your lower stance.
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I don't necessarily want to race the car, just curious as to what I COULD do. Everyone knows older mercs aren't exactly "off the line" cars, just wanted to do something a little different. ... what's wrong with "hot rodding" it? After all Mercedes has built many championship race cars that pushed boundaries and limits, they aren't all for grandpa's. .
Only until recently, Mercedes was built for grandpas (my opinion). I test drove a C280 a decade back, and even though it was turbo'ed, the thing was a slouch. The salesman noted that most of his products were aimed at the older, more refined man and his driving needs. I left and bought myself a BMW two seater.

If you hot rod your car, you won't be blazing any trails or doing anything out of the ordinary. But for reasons I can not comprehend, Mercedes' of these years have built up some sort of mystique as classic, timeless and should-not-be-touched-or-modded rolling artwork. To that, I say bull$hit. Chop, mangle, repaint and upgrade your car to your liking, and to heck with the folks that moan about it. Unless you own a Gullwing, it's unlikely you'll end up at Pebble Beach and selling it for $500k.

There's an Aussie on this thread who put a turbo'ed Chevy small block into his 108 (Hi Drew - or was it a 111?), and folks bemoan the ruination of a once great car. The "only" conversion you should do is a more modern Benz motor in the older chassis. BS, I say to that too.

I challenge you to find a Mercedes piston for the same price as an American one, a crank for the same price, etc etc. It's not as if Mercedes used better or different metals or forging techniques - the extra $$ you pay for Mercedes parts is because of the name. Take an OEM, Mercedes approved fuel pump for my 108 - new, straight from the classic center or dealership, the cost will range from $650-$900. However, an external fuel pump is an external fuel pump, and as long as you reach the minimum pressure and volume required for the engine to run, you're good. Summit Racing sells a pump that would work for my 108, and the thing, plus a few other addons I'd want, costs $60 and some change.

I would recommend you take stock in what you have, and look for ways to fix or improve it, make it better, etc. Kavadarci's spring lowering idea is a great example - cheap, effective, looks good. He did some headlight conversions that are awesome too, but a purist would have a fit.

I'm not a purist, BTW. I have plans for a 300SEL and a small block Chevy...

Hot rod options for your car - just about none, off the shelf. Megasquirt has some products you could use, and there are threads here that outline how some folks have done it. If you have mediocre welding or fabrication skills, consider taking out the old drive train and swapping in a modern V6 or small block V8. Get into Hot Rod magazine, and you'll find a metric ton of vendors who make standalone engine and transmission controllers, wiring harnesses and other support gear for such a swap. AND, modern engines (I'm talking American here) have a ton of support, re-engineering sites, mod sites, etc etc. Rolling into an atypical repair shop with a stock Mercedes and you're likely to be met with scratched heads and someone telling you they don't have literature on the thing. Do the same with your Mercedes and its American engine, and you'll be back on the road in no time flat.

For my $.02, Mercedes made good motors for their day, and the body lines are indeed classic. But the cars are indeed underpowered and more or less belong in the right lane. I would restore, mod, change and upgrade everything under the hood and inside the car, but leave the body unchanged.
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I'm with Gribeguy on this one
I always thought whatever coupe car I find it will have rust and I will fix and paint (not me but a shop)

When I found my 250c without a spec of rust and I really really mean no rust and not a single scratch or dent I decided to keep the original 42 year paint
All I did was good refresh on the paint to bring the full shine back

So some things I like original but some I modify them as I please



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I own a Mercedes because I wanted a Mercedes, comfortable.....great handling and just a great car....plus it takes speed bumps like no ones business.....dirt and gravel roads are just as sweet....

I owned a mopar because I was young and it was built for speed.....

Never have I lowered or modified any of my cars, simply because I liked my cars for what they were....except for adding option dealer features....

Its your car, so you can do what you wish with it....but with me...I never made my cars, something they weren't....I simply bought a car that was what it was....
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with modifying a Mercedes, hell people even modify 300SL Gullwing's.


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I've got a '73 280C that I'm keeping mostly original as a cruiser, and a '69 250 with a small block chevy. To each his own. Unless the car is <100K miles and in great shape, hot rod the crap out of it.

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cory, its your car, do what you want to it. I personally think a few inches make the car look better.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with modifying a Mercedes, hell people even modify 300SL Gullwing's.

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Well personally I prefer cutting springs.

I've known guys who heat to lower but a lot of times when it's not lowered even, they have to buy more springs and do it again. The trick is to not get it so hot to make them overly brittle, just release tension. The ones heated will be laying on each other. Probably best to do on a drive-on car lift.

Never had issues with how someone slams their car (except for the ridiculous coil clamps). I've cut (trimmed) springs on most cars I've owned.

Slammed my '65 W111 about 5" over 20 yrs. ago and still riding just fine. Recently brought down my '91 W126 about 4" and rides just fine.

So many of these guys want to keep everything all stock and that's fine for them but that's not me. I can't see spending up to 1G on Big Name springs for these older Benz.

I do understand and believe for race and performance cars that it does make sense tho.

When I cut springs I sometimes get lucky and cut just the right amount for the drop I want, if not then pull them out and cut some more. On my '91 I actually cut them while in the car with a cutoff wheel. Later.


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