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New to MBs, 250c coupe

I've had this mercedes sitting in my back yard for 13 or so years, I remember it being driven in, parked and thats where it has sat since.
I pulled it out of its hole (tires rotted off almost) and tried to turn it over by hand, but it felt locked up. I went to grab a battery, and she cranked over like as if not sitting for more than a few days. So now the work starts, I need to pull the zenith carbs, the sand and wind here has filled every nook and cranny.
What are the key things to look for? were there any problematic areas of the car?
I need to find a good manual, and I don't think I'll have any problem finding parts (Valley Wagon in Carson City seems to have a large supply of NOS parts)






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The major flaw in the W114's is rust. Floor boards, trunk deck, front sub-frame sockets, lower front fender wells, lower frame rails, etc.

This problem is usually caused by leaking window seals and is aggravated when the vehicle just sits because the moisture doesn't get drained by movement.

The twin carbs are problematic. Some people swear by them but the majority swear AT them.

ALL the rubber components in the suspension will be shot. Plan on replacing all rubber including fuel and brake lines.

Check the steering gear box mounting. Fairly common to have developed cracks at the frame. Caught in time this is an easy repair.

The M130 engine's weak point is a cylinder head which warps when overheated.

The "pillar-less" window design makes for finicky windows. Nothing very bad but they will involve occasional adjustment and maintenance.

About what you'd expect for any 40 year old neglected car.
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Sorry, but just call the junk yard and haul it away as fast as you can. or if inclined pull parts and sell.
You could get quite a nice $ selling things.

You could easily spend 3x what the car is worth trying to fix it. (sand and dirt in engine??)


You could get this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-...#ht_500wt_1182

Your car: carb rebuild $600, tires $ 700, interior $2000, paint $ 3000, engine rebuild $2000, door seals $800, ect.....

Just my opinion

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i would not start on this parts car .if body was rust free , maybe .
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I have to agree with others who are saying to hold on... I just sold my very nice 1971 250 C for $4000. It was basically rust-free, nicely optioned, very presentable. What I'm seeing in your pictures is a parts car. If there is rust - stop now and don't put money into it.
Adding to Rumb's list of things you will need to spend money on:
Front and rear windshield seals - $300 parts $300 labor

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As another comparison, my neighbor just sold a car almost exactly like yours that had been her daily driver and in very nice overall condition for $3,200, that was her asking price anyway but she said it was negotiable. Point being the suspension work alone would cost half that, add a leak or two and you're at that amount.

BUT... if you clean it out, even wash it up and clean up the interior like it was your every day car you will have a clear view of what's going on cosmetically. Washing and cleaning puts you in contact with every surface and you will see more clearly what trim bits are missing, what vents, handles, knobs or glass are gone, and make a decision from there based more on the mechanics of the car. My thinking is that the car is essentially "free" for you and maybe you would prefer to spend a bit here and there rather than buy another car outright.

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Now with all that being said, I must admit I have a fascination with the W114 coupe's body lines. I have 2 of them which I have restored from far more neglected conditions than that one.

My wife's 250C was a shell and I mean a shell. No interior ,transmission, engine, flow through ventilation through the floor boards, trunk and fender wells. It has a sun roof, A/C and its color appealed to my wife and my wife appeals to me so it was a project of love. I bought the car as a package deal. 2 W114 coupes and a W114 sedan. $500.00 total including the tow bill. Spent a year bringing the 250C to a "decent" driver (the old 20-20 standard), probably 200 man hours and about $1000.00 in parts. The sedan provided 70% of all the parts I needed or it would have been more like $3000.00. Now keep in mind, the paint was excellent or you would have to add another $2K to the cost.

The other W114 ('74 280C) has been my daily driver for the last 4 years. It's not restored to anywhere near the condition of the 250C but it's presentable.

For a fun project they are hard to beat. If you're looking for any kind of financial return then forget it. Buy lottery tickets instead.
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My opinion is that a W114 coupe is terribly undervalued. You can get a driver for $2000 and a nice one for $4000 to $5000. It's unclear to me why Americans _and_ Germans haven't jumped on these cars. Maybe in 10 years? If I had indoor storage space I would have kept mine forever (like so many other cars). But I don't. It's hard to see cars parked outside for 14 years and not feel at least some sadness and discomfort.

I go to the junkyards and see lots of W123 sedans with all of the doors taken. They get shipped to Germany. Yet I will see a 114 coupe that hasn't had its doors taken. I don't understand why.

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That one is gorgeous.....
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I wasnt too worried about anything on the chassis, poking and prodding i havent found any bad rust, my main concern was the motor, but if all else fails I Have a 350 small block that'll fit right in there.
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