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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 04-16-2013, 08:53 AM Thread Starter
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1967 230S station wagon questions

I was recently in London, U.K. working in a garage. We were sent the above car which came originally from Zimbabwe via California. It runs, but not well and the usual tune up items have been ordered. The two main questions I have are,

There is no choke operating mechanism on both two-barrel Solex carbs. (PAITA type, I think.)There are only the small levers at the rear of the carbs, not connected to anything and there is no provision for doing so, no drilled holes, no bell cranks, nothing. I assume the choke must have been electric and maybe the levers were cut off as there is no place on the dashboard for a choke knob.

It is RHD, manual column left hand shift. It won't go into reverse which if I recall correctly from my 1958 220S and 1959 190B, reverse is up and alongside 3rd. where should I start looking if the linkage is bad? Where is the most likely spot, if there is one.

It's in reasonable shape, a drivable project Belgian-built car with the vertical heavy glass headlights as on a 280SE, not singles as on 190s. Some rust underneath, the outer sheet metal is good, the rubber weather strips and so forth are totally gone. Interior is decent but I would assume it's been redone. I imagine the windshield rubber can be found, but the rear side and tailgate rubber is unobtanium. Tail gate doesn't stay up either. I can supply pictures if needed.
The garage works 99% on Citroen Traction Avants but occasionally we get a customer with something a bit 'different"

Any help would be appreciated!
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reverse is near first [ back and up ] . a 67 230 s would have the larger zenith carbs with auto chockes [ electric heated ] since they where changed to older [ simpler ] kind , you need to install a cable .is the connecting bar there for the 2 levers ????
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There is nothing near the levers which move vertically. No mounts, no brackets, nothing. I have a feeling since the car is from a hot climate, it may have never had a choke mechanism. Zeniths? They are Solex for sure, they look just like the ones on my 50s 220S.
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you wouldn't happen to work above the old Tipler machine shop do you, and is this the car sold by Mercedes classic, is it silver? There are a couple of companys that specialize in rubber sections so you should be able to track down the rubber section you need, somewhere I have a catalogue for one of them, as for the shifter mechanism problems its probably just a case of rebushing and readjusting the whole lot, if it is the car that I am thinking of it was shipped with the engine and box removed as it made the import tax rather lower, this may not have helped your cause.
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Yes, that's exactly where I work. The car came directly to the shop from the Tilbury docks on 28 March, it's light grey on the upper parts, dark grey on the lower. I spoke to a Mercedes specialist here in Toronto and he said the thing to do is start at the gearbox and replace the plastic pivot bushings and adjust whatever there is to adjust. I figure one person could be in the car moving the shift handle toward reverse and someone under the car can watch how it moves and go from there. I have a Mercedes shop manual from the 1970s and it shows the Solex carbs and the linkage for the chokes. It's going to take some doing to get that sorted, it might end up being something to live with, but the owner will likely differ. Thanks for your help!
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Hi Linn
I have been fishing around the internet for info on Fintails for quite a while and found a feature on your Universal on an American site, interestingly there have been three universals come up on the Uk's Ebay, one a fairly tidy one fitted with I think a 250 engine or a 280, one in terrible but pretty complete condition, and lastly one stored in a barn up north for many years, looked rough but largely complete, it sold before the auction finished, I was not surprised, I have the factory manuals that cover the fintail range and if you want you can scan any bits of use to you, I have a 230S that I'm working on along with an old Mustang, a 911 and a couple of other things, I think Fintails are rather good but can't put my finger on why I like them so much, many years ago I visited the Citroen place when it was in Waterloo in this fantastic little catherdral of railway arches, now a club, it was an amazing if rather dark premises. As the crow flies your working not a million miles from me, practically next door by Canadian standards, so drop me a line if you want to scan the manual, and I bought the parts to rebush my shifter linkage from Niemollers in Germany and the parts did not come to very much, Bill.
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Thanks for that, Bill but I won't be back over to London until this August. If you're not far from 636 Old Kent road, maybe you could drop in and have a look at the car and see what you think. I will be sending over soon my own shop manual that I've had since the 70s that covers everything from the Gull Wing and Adenauers to the late 60s models. I visited Niemoller's in Mannheim in about 1977 when I was trying to restore a 170V and he looked like a one-man operation, in 2011 he had a booth at the Essen show and now looks like a major parts supplier for older Benzes. I'll forward on his info to John at 636 because I imagine parts like shifter bushings aren't going to be available so easily locally. regards-Larry
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