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Hello to all.

Reluctantly, we have to sell our 1985 300TD wagon. I've been told that this model is highly sought after and brings higher than average prices. One Mercedes man told me that people buy this model and ship it to Germany for re sale. That seemed a little "iffy" to me.

I will, of course , post pictures and all details, but I wanted to see any input as to general price range based upon the following:

White color..not a dent to be found and the interior blue leather is near perfect, no cuts or the like. We just put all new tires on it about a thousand miles ago, but probably less than that. Considering the condition when we bought it, it appeared to have been garaged and it's been garaged nearly every night of it's life with us. Mostly I got this for my wife to drive to work because of the safety factor with this amazingly sturdy vehicle. She drove to work, then directly into the garage. We used the Volvo for all other driving, except for some trips to San Francisco, etc.

The final spray coat of paint has been working it's way off only on the left side just under the windows for a couple or three inches back to the tail light. You can't see that until you are up close. Everything else is beautiful, hood, top, rear.

We had the entire rear shock and "leveler" replaced (forgive my untrained mechanic name for it) system to the tune of 2,200.00 a surprise indeed. The Mercedes specialist also converted the air conditioner to the new fluids. We have had it in two more times since then. I believe all of the glow plugs were replaced a year or so ago. Once again, it is not driven that much. Five days a week , but now my wife is not working and a company we trusted has dealt us a bad blow as well, so she will be working computers at home. The rear lift door became unstable. Our mechanic explained how time consuming it would be to trace the system to find a leak, so we had that just disabled, which means the automatic door locks reverted to manual.

Our son, a VERY experienced Diesel mechanic suggested that all of the flexible hoses should be replaced every five years or so, so we had all of them replaced a few months back. It has 260,000 miles on it, runs perfectly as far as we can see. We check the transmission fluid and it does not lower.

It may be that the air conditioning fluid has leaked, for there is a reddish stain in the garage. Oh wait, so the rear lift up door does not stay up very well. Some days yes, some no, so we have a bungee cord as a safety measure. And the rear latch and lock, for reasons unknown to the Mercedes mechanic that we use, will not lock after it was replaced. He put it in several times and so we have that lock/latch to be fixed somehow. We figure a Mercedes type mechanic will be able to spend the time to correct that, but at a hundred an hour, we just bungee cord the rear door since the car is either in the garage or we are in it.

Based upon the above, I thought you genius experienced Mercedes experts could give me a price range that I should anticipate. Yes, I know you have to see it, but I have given a truthful overview of this truly nice car that we don't really want to sell, but California full coverage insurance took another massive leap, and the car just sits now, so we need to resolve this.

Thank you for any generalized price range that you can suggest.

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You haven't mentioned rust. If there is a rust, that is a big deal. Sounds like a wonderful car. Has transmission been rebuilt? engine or head rebuilt? When you talk about the final spray coat working its way off, do you mean the clear coat is pealing on the side of the car? Without knowing status of engine, transmission, AC, rust, I think you are looking at $3000 to $4000. If you have head rebuilt, transmission rebuilt, AC working correctly, no rust but pealing clear coat then I think you are looking at $5000 - $7000. Also, does the car have 3rd row seats? Does the car have second row headrests? These are questions that buyers will want to ask. Both are considered desirable options, I removed both from my car because they were heavy and got in the way. (I like hauling things) Also, 1985 had a California emissions version and a non-CA version. If your car has a big round flat air cleaner then it is the non-CA version. If your car has a smaller round DEEP air cleaner further towards the front right corner, it is the CA version. In general, people prefer the non-CA version although I think that the reasoning behind it is not very significant.

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Thank you so much for responding to a "newbie" (But I'm an oldbie in other subjects)

OK, it has the California configuration. There is not even a hint of rust that I can see. This is not the coastal part of California but dry as a bone.

It has both the second seat headrests and the third fold down seat.

The car is very nice to look at. That paint factor, where the "shiny coat" peeled back is confined to the left side just where the paint meets the window glass and is more like a two inch or so strip that was affected. NOT the doors at all, just that strip. The air conditioner did not work today, so here we go to the Mercedes man. Can't figure that. We pretty much re did things when they changed it from freon. The bill was quite large. Everything was fine for a year or so, then we've taken it in and paid a couple more five hundred dollar bills.

So that is the only major thing. The rear lift up door also needs to be totally fixed to stay up. Today of course, it stayed up just to spite me, but I had secured bungee cords to the roof rack in case it decided to trick me.

I don't fully understand the system, but it apparently depends upon the vaccum system that controls the auto door locks, etc. (Don't laugh if this sounds naive. I know stuff, but not Mercedes.

I cannot say anything for sure about the transmission. I had it looked at by my guy and he found the need for motor mounts, which were redone a year or so ago. He was confident about the transmission and reminded me that those cars often go to 400,000 miles on the transmission, or more. That, of course , seems like WOW. I looked inside that tough strong all man lookin engine today and thought: "Why am I doing this?" This car looks like it could outlast me. Wait. At mid seventies or so, well it has to go beyond my 120th birthday then.

Thanks again. We are considering fixing the air.....but doubt that I would recoup that money in the sale.....or maybe I would. No use thinking negative.

Thanks again for your help

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The hatch uses two "shocks" to hold it up. It is not related to the vacuum system. They do wear out and are cheap (less than $50) to buy and would take about an hour to replace.

If your car still has the original AC compressor, it may be the source of the leak in the system. They do not last for ever and at this age you can expect that it is near the end.

From your description, you have about a $6,000 car, IMO. Look on ebay and you can see some comparables. The third row seat is definitely a valuable option.

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Thank you so much for responding to a "newbie" (But I'm an oldbie in other subjects)
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There is not even a hint of rust that I can see. This is not the coastal part of California but dry as a bone.

It has both the second seat headrests and the third fold down seat.
Desirable options.
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So that is the only major thing. The rear lift up door also needs to be totally fixed to stay up. Today of course, it stayed up just to spite me, but I had secured bungee cords to the roof rack in case it decided to trick me.
The hydraulic shocks that lift the rear door will be different depending on weather/temperature. On my wagon, someone replaced both of them and quite honestly it was a little TOO assertive in opening. You might replace one, see how you like it, then replace the other.

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I don't fully understand the system, but it apparently depends upon the vaccum system that controls the auto door locks, etc. (Don't laugh if this sounds naive. I know stuff, but not Mercedes.
No, the rear door opening struts are unrelated to vacuum.
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Thanks again. We are considering fixing the air.....but doubt that I would recoup that money in the sale.....or maybe I would. No use thinking negative.
If you have already put a lot of money into the A/C, then fixing it prior to sale might be good to do. DEPENDING on what it is going to cost. Evaluating that should not be expensive.

Good luck with sale.

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