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ViaFanatic wrote in a previous post that ultimately he wants a modern engine with a MANUAL trans for his resto-mod. Sounds like an interesting project.

And on the Benz side I can't think of anything that made it here (the U.S.) that could fill that bill in an inline 6. But BMW is pretty common to find them with 5 speed manual trans and maybe even 6 speed. And personally I think it would be sacrilege to put a Japanese engine in a Benz. Makes me shudder to think about it. At least the BMW comes from the right part of the globe.

In the end though, it is his option to decide what he's going to do with it. All I can do is encourage the "right" choice.

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Oh, you silly. I was thinking of gutting an E30, there are quite a few of those around here. But I'd feel bad about tearing it apart. I don't mind tearing something Japanese apart

But yes, manual is the only way I want to go.

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
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'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
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'09 E350 ~51k miles
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An M104 would have seemed like a logical choice, had you have wanted to go the straight six route. A V6 however has a distinct advantage over the straight six. It`s much more compact in length and the only thing you have to worry about is the width as the quad cam, particularly with the turbo set-up is quite wide.

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An M104 would have seemed like a logical choice, had you have wanted to go the straight six route. A V6 however has a distinct advantage over the straight six. It`s much more compact in length and the only thing you have to worry about is the width as the quad cam, particularly with the turbo set-up is quite wide.
Exactly, I'm going to have to do something fancy with the steering column, and going for a straight 6 would make that a bit more difficult. I'm not upgrading to power steering, the current steering setup is actually quite light for what it is, and I like the feel of it.

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'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
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There are A LOT of the E30 series BMWs around. I'm sure there are some that have met their demise due to er, "sudden" body reconfiguration issues. Even if you find one that is useable, it's not like you'd be taking something apart that is rare. Besides, I'd much rather live with myself tearing apart a BMW for a noble cause, than have to live with a project (that I intend to keep) with a compromise engine/drivetrain. The former you will get over in time. The latter, you would be reminded every time you drove it.

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There are A LOT of the E30 series BMWs around. I'm sure there are some that have met their demise due to er, "sudden" body reconfiguration issues. Even if you find one that is useable, it's not like you'd be taking something apart that is rare. Besides, I'd much rather live with myself tearing apart a BMW for a noble cause, than have to live with a project (that I intend to keep) with a compromise engine/drivetrain. The former you will get over in time. The latter, you would be reminded every time you drove it.

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I think that's a better route. I won't have to do much to the drive-line either to handle what the E30 has. It doesn't need to be a super-power racer. I just want to be able to keep it up a lot easier than going with a full resto. In fact, I say to hell with the Nissan. I just want something that's reliable, with good economy, and plenty of parts still around, that provides a smooth driving experience.

I think tearing into an E30 it is. Maybe keep the E30 shell if it's good and throw in an M50B20!

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
'84 Euro 500SE ~100k miles
'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
'98 Dodge Durango SLT+ 5.9L Magnum V8

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Check out this site (Salvage Auction Cars and Motorcycles for Sale. Bid Live or Let Us Bid for You!). They have stuff like this (Used and Salvage Auction for 2004 BMW 3 SERIES 330XI | VIN: WBAEW53414PN36420),
like THIS (Used and Salvage Auction for 2004 BMW 3 SERIES 325I SULEV | VIN: WBAAZ33454KP86668)
and like this (Used and Salvage Auction for 2001 BMW 5 SERIES 530I | VIN: WBADT63461CF02876)

Believe me, you wouldn't mind tearing one of these up. As I said, "sudden" body reconfiguration victims.

It's kind of like e-bay for wrecked/salvage/wholesale cars. Cars that end up on dealers back lots and tow yards. They have auctions and buy it now sales. You can search by make, model, year, location. If you are looking for a parts car, this might be a big help.

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I knew I shouldn't have gone looking at this site. Dang, if I had the money I'd bid on this one. It would probably drive back to AZ. A good cleaning inside and some paint...

(Used and Salvage Auction for 1997 MERCEDES-BENZ S CLASS S420 | VIN: WDBGA43G5VA348081)

See one advantage in AZ, is that first, there is no sales tax on private party sales in AZ. And depending on the source of the vehicle there may be no sales tax on some of these. If the seller isn't a dealer, it would probably qualify. Second, Kalifornia cars can be a good grab for us AZ guys. AZ doesn't give a rats a$$ about back registration.

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I do want a donor that runs and drives, so I can verify everything is in working order. I'll be pulling more than just the motor and the trans from the donor. I'll be adapting some of the drive train too.

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
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'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
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I love the M104. I have a E320T as a daily driver and its 220 horses are more fun than the 240 of my 500SEL

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I've got the production number in at the classic center. Waiting for the verdict on what the original color was.

I haven't been able to accomplish anything on the car, as I've devoted most of my time to the 500, school, and work.

I'm really just wanting to get the car running so I can get it out of the PO's shop and into my garage. I can do everything else there.

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
'84 Euro 500SE ~100k miles
'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
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