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Run hell, I can barely hobble...with the help of a GDS working service dog...this 'old age' sucks...maybe a better choice of words is in order...Life is good!
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Run hell, I can barely hobble...with the help of a GDS working service dog...this 'old age' sucks...maybe a better choice of words is in order...Life is good!
Get in the SD and drive far away! LOL

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What you`re planning on doing is very daring, considering rare cars such as yours are usually restored to original and anything else would be considered sacrilege. I however applaud you for having the guts to do something different. The motor choice is logical and practical in terms of compactness, efficiency, parts availability and power and if you get tired of it, you can always fit a VG30DE
I think you should be prepared for a lot of attention and head turning whilst driving it.

Best of luck with it mate.

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The motor choice is logical and practical in terms of compactness, efficiency, parts availability and power and if you get tired of it, you can always fit a VG30DE
I think you should be prepared for a lot of attention and head turning whilst driving it.

Best of luck with it mate.
I just got out of a 91' 300zx (Non-turbo). I would HIGHLY advise getting the above mentioned motor. The Vg30DE is a spectacular engine with plenty of torque. They love high RPMs. 4000-6000 rpm makes such a beautiful sound. I Have owned 2 of these engines over the last 6 years, and I have been alternating between OM617 and VG30de.

I would not even fool with the older Vg30 Single cam/dual cam. The difference in design was IMHO much much better.

If you are looking to get the most bang for the buck, Buy yourself a wrecked Twin turbo, and use that. If you have room for a Vg30, might as well make room for intercoolers and downpipes.

I have a RLF who had his 95' TT Dyno'd at over 700 RWHP. He had quite a bit of work done to the car, but There is nothing sillier than having that much "GO BABY GO" under the hood.

I got rid of my 300zx due to my biggest driving fear being realized. Snow + RWD + Horsepower = telephone pole.

It was the ONLY car I have ever owned that scared me. Too light for factory HP, but on a dry road the car was very intuitive. It knew when I wanted to go sideways, and would always straighten out when I willed it to.

Im guilty of buying cars based on their power train, and the TT Engine and Transmission are some of the best ever made.

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What you`re planning on doing is very daring, considering rare cars such as yours are usually restored to original and anything else would be considered sacrilege. I however applaud you for having the guts to do something different. The motor choice is logical and practical in terms of compactness, efficiency, parts availability and power and if you get tired of it, you can always fit a VG30DE
I think you should be prepared for a lot of attention and head turning whilst driving it.

Best of luck with it mate.
Thanks! Like I said, no intention of giving it up, and I want to be able to keep it on the road for years and years to come. Internal parts from a W136 aren't getting any cheaper. But I have requested a quote from the Classic Center for a new motor and trans for this car if I went the original route. No word yet.

I've been thinking about going a step up to the VG30DE, since they seem to be a bit more common around here than the non-turbo'd cars.

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I just got out of a 91' 300zx (Non-turbo). I would HIGHLY advise getting the above mentioned motor. The Vg30DE is a spectacular engine with plenty of torque. They love high RPMs. 4000-6000 rpm makes such a beautiful sound. I Have owned 2 of these engines over the last 6 years, and I have been alternating between OM617 and VG30de.

I would not even fool with the older Vg30 Single cam/dual cam. The difference in design was IMHO much much better.

If you are looking to get the most bang for the buck, Buy yourself a wrecked Twin turbo, and use that. If you have room for a Vg30, might as well make room for intercoolers and downpipes.

I have a RLF who had his 95' TT Dyno'd at over 700 RWHP. He had quite a bit of work done to the car, but There is nothing sillier than having that much "GO BABY GO" under the hood.

I got rid of my 300zx due to my biggest driving fear being realized. Snow + RWD + Horsepower = telephone pole.

It was the ONLY car I have ever owned that scared me. Too light for factory HP, but on a dry road the car was very intuitive. It knew when I wanted to go sideways, and would always straighten out when I willed it to.

Im guilty of buying cars based on their power train, and the TT Engine and Transmission are some of the best ever made.
The idea is to get a running car, to use as a driver while I polish up the 500 again, then begin the swap over to the 170. This also allows me to verify that everything with the motor and trans is on the up-and-up.

I appreciate that at least some folks understand I'm not going for originality under the hood for the sake of extending the life of this car well beyond those who have their original drive trains. It'll be rare one day anyway, right?

I've started the search here for a 300ZX that's appropriate for me, knowing I can probably fit in the TT, I can look at the '90+ 300ZXs instead of stopping at '89.

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
'84 Euro 500SE ~100k miles
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'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
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Thanks! Like I said, no intention of giving it up, and I want to be able to keep it on the road for years and years to come. Internal parts from a W136 aren't getting any cheaper. But I have requested a quote from the Classic Center for a new motor and trans for this car if I went the original route. No word yet.

I've been thinking about going a step up to the VG30DE, since they seem to be a bit more common around here than the non-turbo'd cars.



The idea is to get a running car, to use as a driver while I polish up the 500 again, then begin the swap over to the 170. This also allows me to verify that everything with the motor and trans is on the up-and-up.

I appreciate that at least some folks understand I'm not going for originality under the hood for the sake of extending the life of this car well beyond those who have their original drive trains. It'll be rare one day anyway, right?

I've started the search here for a 300ZX that's appropriate for me, knowing I can probably fit in the TT, I can look at the '90+ 300ZXs instead of stopping at '89.
I will look up the issue of the magazine Mercedes Tuner I get from Germany that has on like yours that was done custom in Germany. It was painted grey, and the chrome was blacked out. It has a 4cyl Alfa motor with a 5 speed, AC and other modern items intstalled.

Your project should be looked at just like a 34 Ford or model T hot rod is.

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Your project should be looked at just like a 34 Ford or model T hot rod is.

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If it were mine it`d be black and badgeless, (just to further confuse the masses as to the car`s manufacture) lowered, mags and have the updated drivetrain. Personally, I could never potter around in a 40-50 hp engine and stay sane, thus making a conversion all the more logical. Speaking of drivetrains, since the word turbo got thrown in, might as well go the whole hog then and fit a 300 hp TT, huh?

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I will look up the issue of the magazine Mercedes Tuner I get from Germany that has on like yours that was done custom in Germany. It was painted grey, and the chrome was blacked out. It has a 4cyl Alfa motor with a 5 speed, AC and other modern items intstalled.

Your project should be looked at just like a 34 Ford or model T hot rod is.

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+1.

If it were mine it`d be black and badgeless, (just to further confuse the masses as to the car`s manufacture) lowered, mags and have the updated drivetrain. Personally, I could never potter around in a 40-50 hp engine and stay sane, thus making a conversion all the more logical. Speaking of drivetrains, since the word turbo got thrown in, might as well go the whole hog then and fit a 300 hp TT, huh?

Cheers,

Mick.

Well, I want to keep the classic charm on the outside, and in the cabin! It's under the hood where the modern stuff will be.

So, it's not quite a hot-rod! I guess you could call it a cool-rod, cause it sits just in between a hot-rod and a classic resto.

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
'84 Euro 500SE ~100k miles
'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
'08 BMW Z4 3.0 si ~14.3k miles
'09 E350 ~51k miles
'98 Dodge Durango SLT+ 5.9L Magnum V8

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Well, I want to keep the classic charm on the outside, and in the cabin! It's under the hood where the modern stuff will be.

So, it's not quite a hot-rod! I guess you could call it a cool-rod, cause it sits just in between a hot-rod and a classic resto.
Twins or nothing.

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So have you given up the thought of a BMW slant 6 hemi? Those can make some really good power. And it's an engine that has been around for a long time. Lots of go fast parts for them and a real proven performer. Also I'd think with the engine canted over that there would be ample room on the high side to put a turbo if that's what you wanted. That is providing the engine isn't too wide to begin with.

I envy you working on a project like this. I think it would be so cool to modernize an older Benz like that. But I already have too many vehicle projects. I've got 2 PT Cruisers that I need to mess with (one wrecked is going to be an organ donor for one with a puked engine), a 67 Dart GT that I need to finish the engine for, and my 69 GTX that I haven't done squat to for years needs some forward progress this year. Plus I've still got some issues with my S600 Coupe that need to be addressed.

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