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1964 220s

New here and need help. I have an opportunity to pick up a 1964 220s but it needs some work. It needs: rear seats replaced or re upholstered, dashboard ,the padded portion is half gone. Like from the passengers side of the steering wheel all the way across the passengers side. Most of the wood looks like it's there though. The carbs need to be either replaced or rebuilt.
That seems to be the major stuff. There is some other minor stuff but from 20 feet away it looks sweet. Has the original hubs with it. I do not mind doing the work but if it's going to cost me a couple of grand to replace the back seats and dash then I may pass on it. Although....the price seems to be very good. Still a tough call since it can't be started without the carbs on. If you put in a battery and turn the key the motor does turn over though. Oil and trans fluid is liquid and not sludge. Hasn't been driven in a good 5+ years.
So what are your thoughts? and thanks in advance.


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You will easily spend $2,000 on interior and repairs on a non-running fintail. If there are several big things that need done, there are likely dozens of small ones. I'm not trying to dissuade you from purchasing, in fact I love to see these cars saved and driven, but if you don't know what you're getting into first it may only cause an otherwise salvageable car to go untended to and further decay as a lost project. Just from the pics it appears the main bumpers have been painted black? If that's a sample of how problems on the car were addressed I'd assume the worst and be pleasantly surprised if things work out otherwise, then you will have no disappointments.

If you fill out your User CP with all your info, especially location, you may be able to find a member nearby willing to check it out with you and offer advice on what's needed. Keep us posted!

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Thanks for the input. The bumpers felt like they were rubber coated. Does that make sense? The price is right but..... like the saying goes.... nothings free even when it's free.
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Are you looking for a labor of love? Because I think that's what you are looking at in any case.

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Are you looking for a labor of love? Because I think that's what you are looking at in any case.
I think so man. So if it takes 2 grand to get the interior and carbs done then it cost me 2 grand for a '64 220s. I know a guy that knows a guy that restores classic American cars, maybe I can get some help with the upholstery.
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I had a local import car guy give me a quote on rebuilding the carbs. Over the phone without seeing them he quoted $675. for both. It seems high to me but idk? Need some input.
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That car should have the m180 engine with two Solex carbs. These carbs are pretty simple (unlike the later Zeniths). Sixty bucks, a manual, and a few hours time should be all it takes to rebuild the carbs. Another few hours to do the adjustments. The factory service manual has about four pages of instructions, IIRC.

In fact, you could just try to snug up the carbs and run through the adjustment procedure before you tear them down. What are the symptoms that lead you believe they need rebuilt?

Edit: I see that the carbs are off the engine. Might as well rebuild them while they're off.

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Thanks for the input. The bumpers felt like they were rubber coated. Does that make sense? The price is right but..... like the saying goes.... nothings free even when it's free.
Definitely not factory, somebody probably sprayed Rhinocoat on them because they were too costly to replate. You may be able to carefully remove the coating and see what's underneath, they probably sanded to get the stuff to adhere. I'd suggest you eventually get the stainless steel repro bumpers coming out of Vietnam, people are really pleased with them and much cheaper (tho not "cheap") than oem or replating. Maybe $1,500 a set? Anyone know if they make for this model for sure?

BTW, I also just posted this article to my blog about spray on chrome finishes. Not ideal for the bumpers but maybe once you get into the bits and pieces. http://motoarigato.blogspot.com/2012...er-way-to.html

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I would love to see the progress on this car as my first car was a '63 220S and I loved the thing. 4 spd on the column was fun too. That car got me hooked on European cars and couldn't be happier about it.
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