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1971 280 SEL - What to look for PPI ?

I am considering purchasing a 1971 280 SEL, which is for sale locally. I have owned plenty of classics, and feel comfortable purchasing a 40 year old Mercedes. But I would like a run down from current owners on what to look for. What's the hardest parts to source? Glass, body panels, interior, trim, mechanical... etc... ? What's the easiest and hardest things to work on with these models? And BTW what chassis are these?



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If I'm right, from what I've been reading; this would be a W108. Correct?



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1987 560 SEC AMG in 122 Pearl Grey Metallic.
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2001 S600L (Hannah), in 753 Tectite Gray Metallic; (Gone in 08/12).
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Almost all parts are avaliable, if not new from MB then lots of project cars around for parts. It is financial suicide to try and rebuild a W108, perfect ones are for sale for a fraction of what it costs to rebuild. After 40 years a W108 will need all of the rubber replaced, its expensive and everywhere on the car. Stay away from a car with any rust, there is no such thing as surface rust, it starts from the inside. Mercedes Heritage.com has some good articles on buying a W108 specifically the 4.5 V8's. I love my 72 280 SEL 4.5, it handles well for a big car and is fast on the hiway, gets awfull gas mileage though. What are you paying for the car and what work does it need? Interior work can get very expensive, especially the leather and wood refinishing.

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Rust would be the main consideration, especially if you would have to outsource rust repair. Compared to other classics I've owned, MBs are very prone to rust.

Interior and trim parts could be expensive if you want original replacement parts.

Unless you need a new engine, prices are generally affordable.

Performance and fuel economy are not quite up to the standards of other vehicles from that era though. I get better fuel mileage and much better performance from heavier bigblock-powered cars as from my W108 6-banger. But for such a small car, ride is pretty good, and I like the steering feel of MBs, and they have some of the best seatbacks from that era.

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As in any old car, the interior and rust are primary issues. If the interior is solid and the car is near rust free, the rest is negotiable. Interior trim items and chrome are the biggest headaches in terms of price and availability. You can find just about anything, but that stuff will hurt you where it counts. Before committing to purchase, check the front kingpins, it's a common but costly bit of maintenance.

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If the car has airbag-powered suspension, be sure to cheek that the system is in good condition. These are extremely expencive to replace. All in all the w108 are in my opinion very well built autobahn-crusers and if they look to be in good shape (mind the rust) vhen you inspeckt them, they usually are!

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It doesn't, that is a W109 feature.

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Thank you so much for all of the advise so far. I am awaiting the owners return from a business trip to Germany to be able to inspect the car. This flow of information will allow me to get a good grasp on the car when I evaluate it.

As I know for now, it is a 1971 model 280 SEL with a straight inline 6 motor. It is a runner and a driver. It has had new tires and some new parts installed, but no descriptions listed in the ad.

It suggests new battery be purchased, which makes me wonder if it has an electrical drain somewhere. It also suggests the new owner paint it, but it looks good to fair in the color photos - somewhere in the range of a pastel robins egg blue.

What I can see in the pictures is the following: Fuel injected motor. A/C compressor on motor. Color matched hubcaps. Power windows. Power brake booster. Allchrome and outside trim present. All glass good. I can get it for 2500.00 or less depending on any rust or major issues I can find.



1990 560 SEL (Hans) & 1990 560 SEC (Hugo), both built in 08/89 in 702 over 265. (My Fraternal Twins)
1987 560 SEC AMG in 122 Pearl Grey Metallic.
1994 S420 (Gunter), in 199 Blauschwartz; (Traded in on W220).
2001 S600L (Hannah), in 753 Tectite Gray Metallic; (Gone in 08/12).
1979 300 CD in robins egg blue; (Gone in 11/12).

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I bought my 1973 280SE last year, sight unseen with a thorough PPI that identified some minor issues. Parts are relatively easy to get (locally or through the MB Classic Center), with the exception of the windshield washer foot pedal assembly - no longer available.

I just put 2200 miles on it in an 8 day road trip. It performed flawlessly. They are great cars. If it checks out, grab it and enjoy it.
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A 280 SEL is a much more expensive car to fix than to buy. As others said, avoid cars with rust. Avoid cars that need a new interior. Avoid cars that need new paint. Any one of these could exceed the cost of buying a good driver. After that the things to look for that are expensive: AC - does it work? If not, add $1500 to get it to work. (That's a guess, it may be much less, it may be more). Fuel Injection: Have the car tested running with an exhaust gas analyzer. If the car seems to be running rich, the car may need the fuel injection pump rebuilt. $1500 for the rebuild plus the labor to take it out and install it again.

It is _MUCH_ better to buy a $4000 car that doesn't have rust, has a good injection pump and drivetrain, and good interior than to "get a deal" on a car that has some rust for $2000.

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