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Starting W111 Fintail Engine up after 10 years

I have today (upon impulse) purchased a W111 1963 Fintail. Its been in a barn for 10 years.

When it arrives the first thing I want to try to tackle myself is to get the car fired up. Ive never had a car so old and stood for so long so what do i need to do before cranking the old girl? Ive read that i need to try to manually turn the engine over (if possible???) - if so how?

I guess i should drain all the oil/ coolants and perhaps petrol and replace with new clean ones - is this correct? Common sense would say this is sensible!

If i would need to lube any pistons how would i do this? take the rocker cover off and pour oil down the rocker????

as much advice would be appreciated for this pen pushing novice as i dont want to hurt my fintail before i even begin restoring her - pics will be posted when she arrives next week.

at the moment im try to read and understand as much as possible to understand what ive just blindly bought !

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I have today (upon impulse) purchased a W111 1963 Fintail. Its been in a barn for 10 years.

When it arrives the first thing I want to try to tackle myself is to get the car fired up. Ive never had a car so old and stood for so long so what do i need to do before cranking the old girl? Ive read that i need to try to manually turn the engine over (if possible???) - if so how?

I guess i should drain all the oil/ coolants and perhaps petrol and replace with new clean ones - is this correct? Common sense would say this is sensible!

If i would need to lube any pistons how would i do this? take the rocker cover off and pour oil down the rocker????

as much advice would be appreciated for this pen pushing novice as i dont want to hurt my fintail before i even begin restoring her - pics will be posted when she arrives next week.

at the moment im try to read and understand as much as possible to understand what ive just blindly bought !

Happy new year to all too!
I am not the expert here, but I think you squirt a little oil through the spark plug holes.
I heard of Marvel mystery oil being added and allowed to do whatever it does, before cranking.
Try a few benzworld, or forum searches. If not sure how, the 'Welcome to the Forum' tutorial / announcement on top of the W126 page will show you.
I remember my father's W111 220SE well.
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cheers pal - any advice is appreciated.

What if the engine is a diesel? I shouldve mentioned this in my post.
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Welcome to the old car start-up world.
So many things to do before starting.

First pull plugs and apply ATF (skip the Marvel Oil) into the cylinders.
Rotate crankshaft manually through the full cycle of firing order.
Is it carburetors or fuel injection?
Sniff the gas tank for old fuel,
If you gag and puke, the entire fuel system MUST be corrected.
Write to us after this is complete.

Check for decently clean oil in the crankcase.

Water is a separate issue, you do not need water to start and run, just need it to run more than a few minutes.

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@ botosh

It's a diesel.
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Welcome to the old car start-up world.
So many things to do before starting.

First pull plugs and apply ATF (skip the Marvel Oil) into the cylinders.
Rotate crankshaft manually through the full cycle of firing order.
Is it carburetors or fuel injection?
Sniff the gas tank for old fuel,
If you gag and puke, the entire fuel system MUST be corrected.
Write to us after this is complete.

Check for decently clean oil in the crankcase.

Water is a separate issue, you do not need water to start and run, just need it to run more than a few minutes.
Thanks for the advice - as its a diesel would you change the glow plug? if so where is the glow plug located on the fintail diesel engine? a picture would be good.
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if its a diesel, it would be a custom transplant, for the w111 finny didnt come as a diesel only the w110 finntail

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Was looking for some info on valve adjustments and the only thing I found in this forum happen to be on a diesel... Maybe the site he listed will help:

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These two links should help.

Mercedes Diesel Valve Adjustment Procedure

Althought none of these say it but it is a good thing to
remove your glowplugs before you start this.
Reason being is that if you remove them the chance
of any compression build up is voided.
I will make turning the engine a lot easier.

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Not an expert on diesels but there should be four plugs on the right side of the motor.

Turned over my ponton after sitting for five years.

Took the plugs out then some light oil into the cylinders and left it sitting overnight.

Put a socket wrench on the end of the crank (in the centre of the fan) and turned it over by hand as described above with the plugs out to reduce compression.

When I was happy it was running free I turned it over on the starter and it turned over nicely.

Winter closed in so I have not got it started as I need to clean out the fuel tank and replace the fuel lines.

But at least I knoe it turns over and there is a sprk at the plug.

Good luck.
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Not an expert on diesels but there should be four plugs on the right side of the motor.

Turned over my ponton after sitting for five years.

Took the plugs out then some light oil into the cylinders and left it sitting overnight.

Put a socket wrench on the end of the crank (in the centre of the fan) and turned it over by hand as described above with the plugs out to reduce compression.

When I was happy it was running free I turned it over on the starter and it turned over nicely.

Winter closed in so I have not got it started as I need to clean out the fuel tank and replace the fuel lines.

But at least I knoe it turns over and there is a sprk at the plug.

Good luck.
cheers ...silly question but as i have no keys yet how do iistart the car from the starter ?
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