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post #41 of 162 (permalink) Old 03-01-2010, 02:35 PM Thread Starter
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Autoschmiede

Hi, down under, you know gullwing from Brisbain?

If you want I can send you some picks from the Autoschmiede, send me a PM they are very heavy.

They use as basic the W126 coupe, for the ground structure with W111 outer Sills, front and rear parts. But they use the W126 axle, which is basicly a W114 axle... I think the W124 option is easier and better at the end, perhaps with the hydromatic from the TE.

The 6.9 Coupe was from a german doctor, he made this one and a coupe with manula tranny. I remember him when I was typ-referent of the MB-IG (in gemany) in the 90's.

If seen also a W107 with 6.9 suspensions and 6.9 engine arround.

If you want to install a manual tranny on the M100 I would look for a Tremec from a Mustang (or something similar from Holden in your case). The 300 SEl 6.8 Race car from AMG and the factory 250 SE 6.3 and the factory race cars of the 6.3 (Macao) used a ZF-5 Speed (S5-325, as it was used by Masarati for the Ghibli). Second option could be to made a new motor end plate for the Getrag from the BMW 850 with the BMW housing and clutch.

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Hi I Know Dr Q quite well, (look for my name in the magazine article about his R107 6.9)
My home email is briskiwi At bigpond dot com dot au. .
The Macao race cars were all automatic as one is still in private hands in Hong Kong. A friend of mine has first option(to buy ) on it.
The 6.3's 4 speed automatic is good to drive and can be driven manually when traveling fast on mountain roads.
It can also be bolted to a 6.9 but there is no advantage because the brake bands are no longer supplied by Daimler AG. Break a band and you are in trouble. (See picture of 6.9 with 6.3 trans)
On M-100.cc Albert has posted a very good post on rebuilding the DB 4 speed automatic.
I am thinking of using the W124,201 etc back end but I have both W116 6.9 and W126 500SEL diffs here as spares. The 500 diff has a ABS sensor . I can fit the diff head from either into the W124 Carrier easily if i have to.
The Holden Tremec is expensive here and the asking price is far too high. A new one from the manufacturer in Mexico is only $1800 USD.
In the 80's a lot of 6.9's in the USA were retro fitted with the chrysler Torqueflight trans. These are incredibly strong with lots of aftermarket goodies available to strengthen them. I may go that route yet.
Regarding the Maserati Trans,they are rare now although I know of ONE person who has one. He bought it years ago to fit in a 6.3 but never installed it.
I may also see if the BMW trans can be found here or one imported at reasonable cost .There are very few 8 series here in OZ. I know most of the merc enthusiasts in brisbane and my neighbor restores Gullwings including building replicas of the W198 Gullwing race cars with alloy bodies.
The other pic shows the W111 Chassis with W201 diff mount in place.
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post #43 of 162 (permalink) Old 03-03-2010, 05:18 AM Thread Starter
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Rear end

You will have post next days (Autoschmiede).

Why your friend used a home made crossmember, and not the original part
A 124 610 02 16 from Mercedes, easy to fit and nearly the wright height?

If you want to go for the automatic, so there are "big-toys" down under, they have a kit if I remeber wright. If the car is for cuising the automatic is perfekt, if you want to burn the street look for the mechanic solution.

With this weight in the car, the brakes have to be modified too, best and easiest fit is, as GGR told me and I will do so in my Coupe, the W126 solution with modified front hube.


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You have raised a good point. I am sure he didn't know of this panel .He could have used the A 124 610 03 36 torsion bar brackets also. His bracket sits the car at the right height. It has air suspension too .
You learn something new every day!
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Fitting a W124 rear end with the proper selection of parts in the MB parts bin looks a very interesting and reasonably easy solution. It would deserve to be documented (exact measurements of where to weld what, how to modify etc.) so that it can benefit any member of the community if they wish to do so. I'm keeping the swing axle for now but I may definitely go that route if I feel the need for an upgrade at a later stage... While the front end was quite sophisticated for it era I believe it may be possible to find a more recent design to match the rear end upgrade. It may not necessarily be MB, though it would be better. A rack and pinion steering attached to it would be nice. I saw some MK II Jaguars upgraded with later models front ends, may be Jaguar could be a good donor? This would be an easier alternative to the Autoschmiede solution (BTW Pagodino, put me on copy of these pictures you want to send to Ron, I'm quite curious to learn about it also).

In the meantime I've finished my V8 5 speed transmission conversion, painted it and fitted it to the engine with new clutch disc, mechanism, release bearing, slave cylinder etc. See pictures below.

I am now finishing the rebuild of my 3.27 rear axle. I had to reopen the LSD I did rebuld some time ago because I had fitted the pinions inside the wrong way (sliding joint inserted bolt on the left instead of right. The rear axle will be the first thing to go on the car. After I will need to build an engine harness for the Megasquirt set up.
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Jag XJ series front axles bolt into the Jag cars but they are not as good as the W111 Mercedes Front end. Being lighter with similar size brakes and steering racks which don't last long in heavy use.
They are very popular here for use under Hot rods but I am not convinced about their use in a mercedes body.
The alternative suggestion I can make is the complete front suspension from a Ford Crown Victoria sedan. It is alloy cross member with built in steering rack and some of them came with air suspension too. Larger than mercedes Brakes can be found on some and a whole crown Vic could be bought very cheaply as a parts donor.
Dont even think about the use of the MII front ends which seem to be put under everything in US. they are not strong enough for a merc body weight .
The advantage of the mercedes Front end is the Use of W112 and W109 air suspension bags which give a genuine progressive suspension. Unlike the firestone and other air bags which don't .
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Ron, would you have scanned copies of the W111 rear axle w/shop manual you could email me?
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Ford Crown Vic IFS pictures

dsc01838 pictures from friends & fun photos on webshots
For those who have never seen one of these front ends.
The crown Vic is a car designed in the 1970's and known for exploding when hit from behind (ala Pinto) but the front end is a clever design and well suited for up grading other cars.
The alloy one piece front end comes from a 2004-2007 model.

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