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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-18-2009, 07:15 AM Thread Starter
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Looking at this 1977 450SEL

RARE!!! 1977 Mercedes 450 SEL obo

I've asked about this 450, and it seems pretty nice or at least have potiential. Unfortunately I don't know enough about older Mercedes. Is it hard to find parts for these cars?

The seller told me there uncle imported it over from Germany in the 80's, so trim is in German. I've asked for more pics, but it sounds like it runs. This car seems like what I'm looking for right now.

Obviously I already have a DD, so I can work on this when I have time. I just need to know more about these cars, and see what you guys think about it. The guys from mbworld.org told me to ask you all.

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As a toy to play with it'd be okay. I don't see the advantage in having a manual transmission in an SEL. Rare, yes but added value, I don't think so.

You could probably recover some of the cost by selling the trans, flywheel, bell housing, linkages, etc. if the car didn't work out.

I believe that model SEL had the somewhat problematic D-jet injection. I know the engine bay wiring harness was an issue.

Anytime I see the infamous, "runs but just needs a tune-up" wording on one of these models I get leery.
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I guess it would be more like a toy somewhat. I don't plan on having it for years and restoring it as a collector...at least right now. I'm looking for a project car to keep me busy. I like working on my cars.

I do a lot of the work on my 540, but since it's my DD I can't do much.

How expensive would it be for the parts mentioned? What's a tune up on something like this entail? Price? Where is a good place to find parts?
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I'm not sure what the model number for that body is (W114 maybe?), but if you google it, you're likely to find an owner's forum that can tell you the particular pros and cons of the car. The engine is common, so (used) parts should be readily available. I don't know whether the Euro version of the motor is internally different, but the smog stuff probably is.

I'm with Mike about the manual transmission. It may be uncommon--even rare--but desirable is something else. A luxo-barge like this and a manual transmission are an unlikely combination. Might be fun to drive for a while, and probably is quick as a bunny (sort of), but rowing that shifter in a luxury car is going to get old. I also agree that a manual transmission car probably isn't more valuable because of its rarity, so I wouldn't pay a premium for that feature.

Cosmetically, having the odd door resprayed is going to be an iffy proposition at best. You may have to respray the entire car, and doing that to MRZ standards is going to be a costly proposition.

"Runs but needs a tune-up" can mean anything from plugs and injector cleaner to rebuilding the FI system, replacing a fuel pump (and gas tank), rebuilding the top end of the motor, and on and on. Once you get beyond disposables like spark plugs, you're talking real money. A mechanical check-up would be a requirement for any deal you struck, I think.

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Luxo-barge w/ stick shift

I have owned two 7-series BMWs w/ stick shifts and I really liked them. Having said that, I think that my concern on this particular car is that the acquisition cost is _nothing_ compared to the maintenance costs. If you want a project because it's fun, great. If you want it because it is a good deal, think again....

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I'm not sure what the model number for that body is (W114 maybe?),
It's a 116.
I think it's late enough to not have the D-jetronic but I'm not sure of that.

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I would cost 4 times that to just get the paint in order. I would pass, because that series wasn't very notable except the 6.9. I would sit this one out and pick up a 560 sec for about $2k or so, they are approaching that now, and much more parts available that are still useable. Just my two cents fwiw.
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"There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes" is something you often see here. That may well be the case here. Be wary and wise, and make sure you know exactly what you're buying.

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Ok, sounds good. Thanks for all the info. I may keep looking. I have a few other make cars I'm thinking about.
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Hi,

it's NOT a 450 SEL. They never came with a stick shift. It's a 350 SEL and they are very rare with a stick shift. They are not faster than an automatic and definitely not fun to drive.

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