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1961 220SE

Gentlemen - my first request for specific feedback.

You already read my "classic for a year" mission. What do you think of a 1961 220SE for the purpose?

And ... if I can press the issue ... are there any idiosyncrasies of that model I should be aware of?

As an aside - the one I've stumbled upon is exactly the same model I drove back in the 1960s, when it was new, so I've got to fight off the "serendipity" factor. The only problem in my *first* 220 was the a/c compressor went bad after five years. Really enjoyed and respected that car.

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Sorry to drop in again, Nutmeg--one of the things you may remember about your 220SE was its woeful acceleration. Woeful for 1961. Today, it would border on being downright dangerous. I also seem to recall those models are known for less than sterling gas mileage because the engine has to work so hard to propel them at highway speeds.

If you are going to stick to surface roads and are content to motor along sedately rather than staying with the flow of traffic, the 220 may have enough "memory appeal" to be one to consider.

I think you'll find the 2.8 liter engines to be better suited to today's traffic.

I don't know enough about them to say anything about their quirks. If you google the model number (W___--I don't know it), you might find an owner's forum like the W108 has.

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Sorry to drop in again, Nutmeg If you google the model number (W___--I don't know it), you might find an owner's forum like the W108 has.
John - certainly no apology necessary. Good to hear from you again. I had emailed you on Feb 1, but didn't get a reply, so figured you were busy. I included photographs of my Triumph, and personal pictures of where I work.

Maybe you never got that email?

On another tack: can anyone point me to a source of troubleshooting and/or maintenance info on the mechanical fuel injection system of the 1961 220SE?

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IF that 220SE M127 has an automatic transmission, power steering, A/C it will be a dog as noted, my 64' 220SE coupe manual everything euro is plenty fast.

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post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old 02-16-2009, 12:02 PM
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Gee, you guys must either be in a permanent rush or have driven some really bad 220SE's. I have a variety of finnies, and my daily driver is a tired '63 220S with auto. It goes fine - just remember that they love to rev. Use the auto like a semi-manual if you want to go faster. Seeing as this trip is about enjoying yourself and having an experience rather than trying to get somewhere for an appointment, why the need for 0-60 in sub 4 seconds?

If no one on here can help with the FI question, then join the google heckflosse group and ask there. There are a bunch of very cluey guys who know the cars inside out.

Issues from my experience with these cars:
- rust of course. Behind front wheel, in the sills, in the boot wells, bottom of the front guard near the front door, sometimes the headlight buckets.
- you want one with good rubbers, as replacing all of those can be expensive (though most should last another 20 years if you do replace them).
- people who do a lot of highway driving sometimes opt to put a V8 diff from a W108 3.5 or 4.5 car into them to get a better diff ratio for high speed cruising - bolt in fit.
- go to the Ozbenz site (ozbenz dot net), W111 section. The very top entry is one by me called "The Finnie Bible". I have tried to collate a lot of useful info that I have had provided to me over the last couple of years of trawling around the net and finding stuff. There are some weird euro symbols in there that I just noticed, but it has lists of maintenance items, rust points, and other stuff I have found useful.

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