220 SEB Differential - Mercedes-Benz Forum

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-24-2008, 01:51 AM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Newbie
 
heckflossehappens's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2008
Vehicle: 1964 220SEB Sedan
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
220 SEB Differential

Hello!

I am a new member and also a new owner of a 1964 220 SEB Sedan. My new car runs fantastic but needs a new differential pumpkin. I was hoping someone would know which other models and years used this same differential. If anyone knows of a differential available, I would greatly appreciate any help! And yes....I already know....pumpkins are almost in season.

Fun pictures are below.

Thank you for any help!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	driver side.jpg
Views:	1196
Size:	77.3 KB
ID:	196781   Click image for larger version

Name:	passenger side.JPG
Views:	398
Size:	75.9 KB
ID:	196782   Click image for larger version

Name:	car back 2.jpg
Views:	186
Size:	43.9 KB
ID:	196783  
heckflossehappens is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-24-2008, 08:01 PM
Bev
BenzWorld Member
 
Date registered: Jul 2006
Vehicle: 1977 Mercedes 300D and 240D and 1986 420 SEL
Location: Glendale, Arizona
Posts: 269
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Have you checked with mercedessource.com they are out of Bellingham, WA they have an 800 number and you can talk to Kaia.
Bev is offline  
post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-24-2008, 10:27 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
wbain's Avatar
 
Date registered: Dec 2003
Vehicle: 1965 220S, 1999 Volvo V70 (wagon), 2006 Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 72 350SL 4 Speed
Location: Near Manassas Va.
Posts: 1,830
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
How do you know it needs a new one? Please explain because there is no 'pumpkin' as such. The rear axle has two parts, one with the differential and drivers side axle and the passenger side rear axle that is hinged below the differential. The SL113 forum has some info on it.

Pagoda SL Forums

Pagoda SL Forums - 3,27 axle checkout, reseal, repair & install

Please don't make any fuel injection adjustments before reading this

Pagoda SL Forums - Linkage Tour

I have a 1965 220S the same color, mine has carbs.

You will need to grease the front suspension, driveshaft and rear axle hinge joints. I use Mobil 1 synthetic grease in a grease gun with a flexible hose. If the grease can't flow into the joint, use a heat gun to heat the metal and the old grease. You will probably find broken or missing sealing rings and the upper kinpin adjusting eccentric will be frozen.

Near Manassas Va. '65 220S, 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, '99 Volvo V70, '72 350SL 4 speed

Not part of the in-crowd since 1952. It's BRAKES not breaks. You break a bone, use brakes to stop your car. /rant

http://www.megamanual.com/index.html
http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html
wbain is offline  
post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-25-2008, 11:17 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Grubeguy's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2006
Vehicle: 73 280SE 4.5, 71 300SEL, 03 BMW Z4, 72 Fiat 850, 80 Triumph TR7, 85 Porsche 911
Location: DC Area
Posts: 2,110
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Send a message via MSN to Grubeguy Send a message via Yahoo to Grubeguy
If you have a truly bad rear diff, have you thought about interchanging with a 108 or 109?
Grubeguy is offline  
post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-25-2008, 09:54 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
wbain's Avatar
 
Date registered: Dec 2003
Vehicle: 1965 220S, 1999 Volvo V70 (wagon), 2006 Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 72 350SL 4 Speed
Location: Near Manassas Va.
Posts: 1,830
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Lets find out why he needs a new differential first. It may just need a new cuff boot or it may need new seals or worse, be locked up. BTW, the 109 rear axle swap is not a good idea. Air suspension vs coils.

Near Manassas Va. '65 220S, 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, '99 Volvo V70, '72 350SL 4 speed

Not part of the in-crowd since 1952. It's BRAKES not breaks. You break a bone, use brakes to stop your car. /rant

http://www.megamanual.com/index.html
http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html
wbain is offline  
post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 12:58 AM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Newbie
 
heckflossehappens's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2008
Vehicle: 1964 220SEB Sedan
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Thank you for the feedback so far!

We know it needs a new differential because the previous owner is aware of a seal leak, ran the case dry and fried the differential. If you look under the car there is obviously a greasy mess coming from the housing.

I use the term 'pumpkin' because veryone seems to know what I'm talking about when I use this term. I have attached a picture taken from a workshop manual I purchased yesterday. This is what we are talking about. The arrows were already in the picture; I'm not pointing to anything.

The suggested Pagoda forums are great! Thank you for this insight!

Yes, I have thought of interchanging with a different style but I would like to keep the car as original as possible. This is why I was so happy purchasing this car because no one has messed with it or changed anything. If it is possible, I would like to keep it's originality. I was hoping that MB used this same differential in other models, but I'm not sure. If they did, it would sure help locate a replacement.

The current differential is not locked up, the car will roll if you push it but it does not drive on it's own. The engine runs great, the driveline is functioning etc...however, if the car is turned off and the car is pushed, funny noises can be heard coming from the rear end. My best guess is the differential.

My plan was to take the current differential and rear end assembly out and replace it. Maybe I can repair this one later or use it for parts.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture.jpg
Views:	450
Size:	139.0 KB
ID:	197128  
heckflossehappens is offline  
post #7 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 02:54 AM
BenzWorld Veteran
 
Date registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 700
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
A good used back end should be easy to find,whether it's a W111 or a W108 with disc brakes.
They are normally very cheap or free,I have several here ....in Australia. If you swap a complete unit in ( the easiest way to go,) Overhaul the unit first and replace the flexible bellows,the trailing arm bushes at each end of the arms,the locating link bushes and the center pivot rubber bush which is in the trunk. I would also suggest replacing the rubber spring pads .
Repairing your broken diff will run into 5 figures.
mercmad6.3 is offline  
post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 09:49 AM
BenzWorld Senior Member
 
Date registered: May 2007
Vehicle: 64' 220SEc, 72' 300SEL 6.3, lots of parts
Location: San Diego/Spring Valley
Posts: 512
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Check your pick-a-part in Tempe first thing for the best deal.
or Tristar parts (pete) if you have lotsa $$$

The car looks good and is a popular color,
what other surprises may await?

I have a good rear here in San Diego, and wish to clean up the excess parts collection. The whole assembly will fit on a pallet for shipping.
Drum or disc? You can switch to disc. I just worked on a 64 220sB yesterday, his needed pinion and both axles seals, full brake job (oily shoes), and all rubber trailing arm parts, mounts. and shocks, so be prepared for some parts and labor.

Brian O
bostosh is offline  
post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 11:44 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Grubeguy's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2006
Vehicle: 73 280SE 4.5, 71 300SEL, 03 BMW Z4, 72 Fiat 850, 80 Triumph TR7, 85 Porsche 911
Location: DC Area
Posts: 2,110
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Send a message via MSN to Grubeguy Send a message via Yahoo to Grubeguy
What kind of noise from the rear end? Rumbling? Scraping? I had a similar issue with a W111 I had, and after I replaced the wheel bearings on both sides, the sound was gone completely.
Grubeguy is offline  
post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-26-2008, 06:43 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
wbain's Avatar
 
Date registered: Dec 2003
Vehicle: 1965 220S, 1999 Volvo V70 (wagon), 2006 Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor, 72 350SL 4 Speed
Location: Near Manassas Va.
Posts: 1,830
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
By your description, swap in a replacement rear axle. If you get one with rear discs you will need a different master cylinder, because the rear drum circuit has a check valve, and the proportioning valve at the rear. Don't forget to replace all four flexible brake hoses too.

The rear axle bellows will also need to be replaced, unless you get it from Bostosh which I'm sure he will replace it for you.

Here's a link for 190SL repairs

Gallery

and the cuff/bellows replacement

Rear axle rubber boot replacement

Near Manassas Va. '65 220S, 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, '99 Volvo V70, '72 350SL 4 speed

Not part of the in-crowd since 1952. It's BRAKES not breaks. You break a bone, use brakes to stop your car. /rant

http://www.megamanual.com/index.html
http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html
wbain is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Vintage Mercedes-Benz

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Mercedes-Benz Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











  • Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
     
    Thread Tools
    Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
    Email this Page Email this Page
    Display Modes
    Linear Mode Linear Mode



    Similar Threads
    Topic Author Forum Replies Last Post
    220 SEB Converting to Carburator 220SEBC Vintage Mercedes-Benz 26 09-13-2008 10:38 AM
    220 SEb. Ignition Upgrade. Pertronix? 220SEBC Vintage Mercedes-Benz 7 09-11-2008 08:34 AM
    Advice on 220 SEb restoration... PackerEdgerton Vintage Mercedes-Benz 4 04-26-2008 10:52 PM
    1961 220 SEb/c - Thoughts? goldgunner Vintage Mercedes-Benz 4 08-23-2005 09:08 AM
    220 seb stock tire size? MBZ933 Vintage Mercedes-Benz 6 03-04-2005 09:17 PM

    Posting Rules  
    You may post new threads
    You may post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off
    Trackbacks are On
    Pingbacks are On
    Refbacks are On

     

    Title goes here

    close
    video goes here
    description goes here. Read Full Story
    For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome