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1969 280 SL Renovation

Looked at a wonderful 280SL in the last two weeks and really appreciate the feedback I got from my earlier post

I drove the car a couple of times, found a restoration shop that spends 50% of their time on Pagodas and had them spend half a day on evaluating the car.

Though first impression was good (mechanically very good), found a ton of stuff that needs to be done:

- all rubber, ie. hoses, belts, engine mount, seals etc need to be replaced. No service other than oilchanges done in the last 10 yrs.

- some rust, pretty minor considering the age as it is a Nevada car that needs to be fixed.

- which results in the need of a paintjob

- Transmission is at the end of its lifecycle

- Seats need to be reupholstered

- Softtop needs replacement

- tires are too old



Now here are my questions for you:
I got a quote for replacing all the tubes, belts, hoses, engine mounts including full service of the engine (60,000m service) at $2500 - does that sound reasonable?

Rust removal and paintjob at $5000 - same question

Paint: Car is original color baby blue (I think it is called Horizon Blue) with white interior. I am not a huge fan of the color, but don't mind it too much. What impact on value would it have if I change the color to a different original MB color?

Upholstery: Material appears to be vinyl rather than leather - has anyone got any inside on what was used 40yrs ago?

Softtop: does anyone have a source for a replacement softtop and how much do they typically run? It is unlikely that I ever put the top up, thus the question is if it is smart to buy a new one as they won't get any better being permanently in their cubbyhole.

Transmission (Auto) - anyone got a source for good rebuild trannies?

Tires - where the original tires whitewall tires? Any particular tire type you would recommend to stay original?

Tks a lot for your help
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Looked at a wonderful 280SL in the last two weeks and really appreciate the feedback I got from my earlier post

I drove the car a couple of times, found a restoration shop that spends 50% of their time on Pagodas and had them spend half a day on evaluating the car.

Though first impression was good (mechanically very good), found a ton of stuff that needs to be done:

- all rubber, ie. hoses, belts, engine mount, seals etc need to be replaced. No service other than oilchanges done in the last 10 yrs.

- some rust, pretty minor considering the age as it is a Nevada car that needs to be fixed.

- which results in the need of a paintjob

- Transmission is at the end of its lifecycle

- Seats need to be reupholstered

- Softtop needs replacement

- tires are too old



Now here are my questions for you:
I got a quote for replacing all the tubes, belts, hoses, engine mounts including full service of the engine (60,000m service) at $2500 - does that sound reasonable?

Does not sound too high.

Rust removal and paintjob at $5000 - same question

For aquality paint job that is reasonable but I would ask a ton of questions. Will it include taking ALL trim off, repaint all of the car including door jambs, undre side of hood, wheel wells etc?

Paint: Car is original color baby blue (I think it is called Horizon Blue) with white interior. I am not a huge fan of the color, but don't mind it too much. What impact on value would it have if I change the color to a different original MB color?

The color on this car is China Blue, Horizon Blue is much lighter in color. If you change the color it will diminish the value and the cost will be more than $5,000. You will have to have the engine compartrment, inside doors, dash,etc. repainted.

Upholstery: Material appears to be vinyl rather than leather - has anyone got any inside on what was used 40yrs ago?

The material is called MB Tex a vinyl, tht is nearly indestructible.

Softtop: does anyone have a source for a replacement softtop and how much do they typically run? It is unlikely that I ever put the top up, thus the question is if it is smart to buy a new one as they won't get any better being permanently in their cubbyhole.

There are many sources for the top replacement and places to buy the Hartz canvas top. If you are never going to put the top up then I think you will waste you money. With the top down in the well it will shink ans self destruct. save your money.

Transmission (Auto) - anyone got a source for good rebuild trannies?

No idea.

Tires - where the original tires whitewall tires? Any particular tire type you would recommend to stay original?

The tires were whitewalls. Do a Google search an classic tires. There are companies out there that make original looking tires that use modern technology radial construction.

Tks a lot for your help
See my comments in your post. I restored a 1971 280 SL about 20 years ago. It was a rotisserie, nut and bolt restoration on a Horizon Blue car. Before I would do anything I would shop around your area to see someone who knows the Pagoda and who has done a restoration or 2 on the car. These were close to being a hand built car and many of the parts were for this car only. One last bit of advice bring your check book since these guys require a bag full of money to restore.

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TFM ,

The color of the car in the picture's isn't horizon blue.....Horizon blue is a beautiful lighter blue which resembles the sky on a clear day....
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$5000 for bodywork and paint is pretty cheap - you better really trust them.

I had a quote from my local resto shop about 2 years ago that started at $7000 for paint only. Body work was the typical per hour deal. That paint quote was based on a complete strip down, of course. These guys do quality work on rods and muscle cars and know what they're doing.

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Gernold also will have any part you need.

5K for paint plus body work?? I wound up paying 12K for a quality strip, body work (Only a quarter size hole behind one light), and respray in original red. Mind you that was not the show quality job. As you've already been told body work is usually quoted by the hour sine they don't know what they will find until they start removing and stripping. As to the 2500 for the engine Gernold can definitively let you know if that is reasonable. I understand that those parts OE from MB are getting much more expensive.

IMHO -- if you are going to do this to an almost 40 year old car use someone that specializes in the cars and take the kind of pride in their work that you will in driving a great piece of German art when finished. A cheap job now is going to bite you in the ### later.

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