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Old 02-10-2013, 04:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I have a 404 and I am now looking at a 1700 and the guy tells me that it has 32 speeds and he's got it registered agricultural....Now me I am planning on traveling the world in my mog.I like the look of it its 1985,I understand the axles are a bit bigger than the 1300,does that make a difference in the speed?Can I drive a 32 speed one in Canada with a regular licence?The guy said yes,but how about,am I gonna have issues registering it as a regular civilian truck?
I'm fairly new in the mog world and I bought my 404 as a first step towards my dream which is to ride an expedition mog around the globe.This summer I was planning on mounting a camper on the back of my 404 and camp in the woods and go to work on my bike to get used to the whole truck life.Now of course I plan on getting a different truck hence this post.I was looking at the u 1300l in the form of ambulance and also with a regular box where I could drop an Alakan camper.But now I came onto this one 1700 and I'm wondering if its the right one.Does any of y'all have any input on this subject

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Old 02-10-2013, 04:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Just buy Trev's RW-1. Turn it out like a camper an you will be looking good like robin hood.

The U1700's are great trucks, but heavier than "needed" for a camper build in most cases. Also, if it is an AG spec U1700 and not a U1700L I think that means that it will have the short frame hang over in the rear. IIRC the U1700 has the frame end short, just part the rear axle, like a U1200 or similar, to facilitate the 3 pt mounting, whereas the U1700L has the frame extending a couple feet rearward of the rear axle. Wheelbase is unaffected by this variation.

YMMV, and with all things UNIMOG that may not be a 100% statement, but I think it is sorta generally the idea....

Someone correct me if I am wrong on the above as I do not want to spread bad info.

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Old 02-10-2013, 04:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the one I have and the one I'm thinking about
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd be suspicious of what is under that stick-on chrome
Stuff on the doors.
32 speeds most likely means it has the optional
Working gears and the Claas overdrive - 8+8 X 2 = 32.
In practice, you will use 5 around town , plus the OD
If you choose, so don't worry about the 32 deal.
It should register just fine - if it isn't registered and
Ready for the road now, I'd put that near the top of the
List for things to investigate.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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32 might also be just the working gears, so 16 forward, 16 back?

The bigger 1700 axles have a bigger oil reservoir in the portals so you should never get the oil migration issue some have had on the smaller axles. Search here for info on that and you'll see there is a fix anyhow.

Overall gearing would be down to that mog though, it may have a fast axle ratio it may not. The optional gearbox overdrive (a switch on the gear lever) takes you above 8th so you can sit at slightly higher speed or travel with less revs, the working and crawler gear sets (levers coming up through the floor) allow you to go slowly or is-it-actually-moving slowly. Either way it won't be fast, top speed or getting there.

I believe a 1700 is about 500kg (?) heavier as bare chassis than a 1300l but can carry 3 or 4 tons more. Bigger brakes too, and a turbo from Merc as standard so more hp. 395 tyres a factory option. A 1300l may give a softer ride though if you drove both back to back weighing say 8tons?

If you are really only going to put an Alaskan on the back than weight wise a 1300l will be fine. If you end up with bigger tyres, two spares, lots of fuel, lots of water, tools, spares, etc etc would you rather a 1300l heading towards its gross limit or a 1700 with plenty to spare? I would think the steel bodied ambulance will eat into your payload a fair bit too compared to an Alaskan?

A nice choice to make

It'll be a fair bit further up on four legs to get in too
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the one I have and the one I'm thinking about
Is that Karelian ??
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Overall gearing would be down to that mog though
Are the bigger axles geared lower typically? There was a U1700 Ben had and I can't recall if it had fast axles or not, but it was a bit higher geared, like 6% higher than the U1300L.

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To drive a square cab mog you'll need a Q endorsement on your driver's license in Alberta but no CDL.
I second the earlier suggestion, have a look at Trev's RW1. It has the overdrive and the turbo that I wish mine had. Frame flex on a 1700 is a lot less than on a 1300 or 1550. So not as adaptive offroad.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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guude,

look for the VIN, so you can get told witch extra equipments came with the mog.
many agri mogs have short (slow) axles and a lot of hydraulic equipment, both not usefull for a expedition mog.
the U 1700 came with the OM 366 A engine, 170 HP, the UG3/65 gearbox, a 14V 55A 770W generator, the short wheelbase of 2810mm (the U 1750 wb. 3250mm with a maximum adviced load length of 3250 mm),
was built 1988-1994, quantity 303
price 6/1989 109,690.-DM without tax.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:27 AM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah I'll talk to the guy here shortly again,but this truck supposedly has 180hp engine with turbo,and is said to go 100 to 110 kms...not sure about slow axles or not...and he said 32 gears on 4 range(if that makes sense in english haha)

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