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Old 04-07-2008, 11:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Help please, 404 has NO power & How to adjust timing on a 404?

hey all, I probably wont be able to fit my electronic ignition before I go away this weekend, so how do I check the timing on the engine? I have tried a timing light but it doesn't work because the wires are shielded.

I think that's what is wrong with it

anyway, I have to go back to first maybe second gear for most hills, there is no power in top gear (even on the flat I can't accellerate in top gear)

any ideas?

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Old 04-07-2008, 11:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If it is like mine (which it should be), it could be a fueling issue.
Mine isn't getting enough fuel. I am going to clean out the fuel filter tonight.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah I have been having the same lack of power problem with mine. I had a thread going on the topic
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unim...04+shift+speed

I have done the petronix ignition upgrade and set the timming, removed the cold air intake plate, aired up the tires to the max pressure and added a tach to see where I am revving the engine. I still don't have the power I should.

The next step for me is setting the valve lash wich is part of the routine maintenance. I am also getting rid of the oil bath air cleaner in replace of a paper filter which should flow easier.

I think the real issue at this point is the carb though. I also had athread going on this subject
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/unim...ight=elevation

I know mine is burning to rich right now and needs to be adjusted for the altitude. Perhaps yours could be to lean.

On a side note my timming light is only 12v, so I have to hook it up to a separate 12v battery and then ground the batter back to the frame of the mog.

Hope this helps. I should have some progress on mine to report this week.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yeah I did that. there was a bit of crap in it but it's no better.

I just read your post about fitting the pertronix kit. got a free day this week to help me do mine?

where can I find instructions on setting the valve lash?

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Old 04-07-2008, 11:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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yeah I did that. there was a bit of crap in it but it's no better.

I just read your post about fitting the pertronix kit. got a free day this week to help me do mine?

where can I find instructions on setting the valve lash?
I have to work unfortunately

I could help you do it next week maybe, when do you leave for up north?
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here is the link I am using
Rocky Mountain Moggers - Unimog Valve Adjustment Procedure

I also ordered the valve adjusting tool, which should make it easier
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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here is the valve adjusting tool I mentioned
Unimog 404 M180 Valve Adjustment Tool - NEW on eBay, also, Mercedes-Benz, Classic Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 03-May-08 09:23:23 BST)

Link doesn't seem to work, try westfield 4x4 and search the word "valve"

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Old 04-08-2008, 09:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Is your timing light the inductive type (clamps around the wire)? Loosen the nut on the #1 hole on the dissy cap and separate the shielding just slightly. That can sometimes give enough signal through the shielding to trigger the light. Otherwise you'll need an adapter. Make one out of a short (3") piece of heavily insulated wire. I use center conductor of coaxial cable and it works great.

My preferred way to set the timing is (with points) set the gap at spec. Then do a series of test drives. Adjust the timing earlier and if performance gets better, go again. If it gets worse, retard it. All 404's don't perform best at the same timing.

My guess is the timing might be too early all ready. It can run fine but then when the mechanical advance forces the timing earlier at high rpm, the timing gets much too early and the truck loses power. As I said, it can run great but runs out of power at the top end. Retard the timing a little.

BTW, it'll probably take more adjustment than is available at the F-S adjuster (which is only a fine-tune). The next adjustment is done with the 5 (or 6?) mm hex socket clamp that's behind the dissy, best accessed through the engine cover.

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Old 04-09-2008, 04:24 AM   #9 (permalink)
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If it is like mine (which it should be), it could be a fueling issue.
Mine isn't getting enough fuel. I am going to clean out the fuel filter tonight.
EEK

There was no fuel filter. The canister was empty

Chucked a spare filter in, ran some carby cleaner through it and it seems to be ok.
Will give it a proper clean out soon.

On the upside, I do have a tray full of XM27's
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EEK

There was no fuel filter. The canister was empty

Chucked a spare filter in, ran some carby cleaner through it and it seems to be ok.
Will give it a proper clean out soon.

On the upside, I do have a tray full of XM27's
crap thats not good.

well I fitted my pertronix today and there is a noticable increase in 'poke' I'm going to change all the oils tomorrow, weld the top hoop back onto the headboard and take appart/clean up the carby.

I'll have the canvas fitted for tufftruck
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