Except for not being able to use it while driving down the road what would be the pros/cons to using something like this generator head attached to the PTO output.
here is an Ebay link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806383935&category=42 907
I doubt it would take a good dunking. I'd rather have a cubby hole to house a separate unit like in the radio boxes. Also, do you really want to hear your engine running all the time? I couldn't stand the stink of my beloved OM352 while drinking a beer by the campfire.
Check the specs in the Ebay ad. The brushes are waterproof. Still like you say a box can be built pretty easy.
I have a 617 turbo engine and it smells even more on WVO. Thank god I have a full height exhaust stack. Buttttttt, anyway.... I think the space and cost savings of not haveing to buy and install a full aditional engine and generator is worth it.
I believe this is a 3600 RPM generator. You'll need a reduction box to run off a Mog's 540rpm pto. And keep in mind that 540 pto rpm is with the motor at 3000 rpm or so. Also, you'll need a good governor, which is not easy on a 404 Benzine-fueled Mog.
I think I would sooner get a small portable nice and quite honda generator, or a good 24v 2 or 3kw power inverter. Now, if you really need 10KW or higher power output, then it could be worth the effort...And I think it will be a lot of effort.
.... Also, you'll need a good governor, which is not easy on a 404 Benzine-fueled Mog.
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Govner: Been following this thread. What is the governer for? Cant you just set the hand throttle where you want it and leave it. That does mean though the generator could only be used when the Mog is not being driven.
Benzine: Not sure if it makes a difference but I dont think his mog is benzine (gasoline) fueled. Pretty sure his is a diesel.
coach that could be made to work with a belt pulley and also set it up on top of the bed by just getting a longer belt to drive the generator, go to a pulley place and they will figure out the size needed, you can also install a cheap belt driven govoner on ya truck to keep it fromloading down and producing low voltage it ya got a biglaod on it, under $50 on sam winer or adlemans or some generator place in the classifeds in rock and dirt magazine. the welder at the ranch in mexcio is driven straight with no gov, u just scerw a large fine thread nut to raise or lower the amps by rpm to do a good job welding, it is a year 1940,s and runs about 10 110 volts bulbs at night or a battery charger for the dozer if it has died. It would be kool if ya could make a quick connect pto coupler like a shredder on back of a tractor and send the pto shaft up to a 90 box and drive it on top of the bed, i not sure what a radio box is like and it ya got that much room, belt is pretty simple and cheap, just make a manual adjustment screw to engae the belt when ya need the generator!
coach that could be made to work with a belt pulley and also set it up on top of the bed by just getting a longer belt to drive the generator, go to a pulley place and they will figure out the size needed, you can also install a cheap belt driven govoner on ya truck to keep it fromloading down and producing low voltage it ya got a biglaod on it, under $50 on sam winer or adlemans or some generator place in the classifeds in rock and dirt magazine. the welder at the ranch in mexcio is driven straight with no gov, u just scerw a large fine thread nut to raise or lower the amps by rpm to do a good job welding, it is a year 1940,s and runs about 10 110 volts bulbs at night or a battery charger for the dozer if it has died. It would be kool if ya could make a quick connect pto coupler like a shredder on back of a tractor and send the pto shaft up to a 90 box and drive it on top of the bed, i not sure what a radio box is like and it ya got that much room, belt is pretty simple and cheap, just make a manual adjustment screw to engae the belt when ya need the generator!
Some very good ideas there. Ones I don't fully understand; such as the nut adjustment for setting RPM/Amps. Will discuss this more with ya.
One of the restrictions in my case is this. I have TWO rear configurations to my Unimog. A Radiobox/Camper AND a raw flatbed. I say raw cause it will be modified to better suit the mog. Another words I will switch back and forth between the two. Proably with the flatbed on it most often. This means the generator system will either need to be mounted below their floors orrr in a box like you suggest at floor level with the radio/camper and flatbed designed to be changed out without disturbing the generator. A cut out area say in the flatbed and radio/camper I guess could be made to accomidate this? Dont know which would be harder, design and building cut out in radio/camper and flatbed or finding a way to mount the generator below them.
I think the first Q is do you really need a 10K w Generator ???? If the answer is yes I would asume unless you have a AC unit on the Camper that 99.999999999% of the time you wont be moving so a PTO driven with some sort of govener to keep a constant speed / power output or setting engine speed to supply enough RPM to the generator for the given load. This setup would be the perfect job/ design for a mog... Or if you don't really need 10K w I would pick up a small and quiet generator. Ideas would be http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/ModelDetail.asp?ModelName=EU1000 or
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/ModelDetail.asp?ModelName=EV4010
they happen to have a caculator to help decide what you really need for capasity
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/genwat.htm
A 10Kw generator would power a lot of full size motors - toys.
I think the first Q is do you really need a 10K w Generator ???? If the answer is yes I would asume unless you have a AC unit on the Camper that 99.999999999% of the time you wont be moving so a PTO driven with some sort of govener to keep a constant speed / power output or setting engine speed to supply enough RPM to the generator for the given load. ...they happen to have a caculator to help decide what you really need for capasity
http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/genwat.htm
A 10Kw generator would power a lot of full size motors - toys.
The man with the most toys WINS.... [:o)]. Actually I was thinking over power is better than under power for one. For two... WELDING. A nice portable Mig welder will opperate just nicely with this size gen-head right? I guess I could get a smaller gen-head but then wouldnt that be a waisted amount of engine power to run small gen-head? Ohhhh... and yes the generator would run only when sitting at the campsite or for welding trail fixes. (hopefully other peoples breaks and not mine)
For example with the 10kw I can go all elec. appliances, Microwave, toaster, hotwater heater, computer, Battery Charger, TV, Stereo, interior lights etc.. Heck I could even install a Jacuzi. Yep... Ive thought of this.. an inflatable pool (rather cheap actually) to use as a Jacuzi at BIG camping events. Invite all the cute ladies over while hubbys are off drinking beer by the campfire LOL.
Anyway, a larger gen-head may also reduce space needed to carry LP tanks*. LP can be hard to find in Mexico etc. so I hear. Also I plan to run the engine on Waste fuels (WVO) as often as possible. I was thinking that by running as much off the waste fuel powered genset as I can this would increases my efficiency of my cheap waste fuel.
Now.... one thing that upsets this apple cart of ideas etc. is I was orginally thinking of gen-set run off an idleing engine and not at 3000 rpm. I dont know how fuel efficient 3000rpm is. I need to conserve fuel for driving since I only get from 10 to 15mpg. Course if I belt drive the gen-head so I can up the RPM from 540 to higher by vertue of different size pullys then I might be able to drop the engine RPM's back down toward idle?
* I'll carry LP anway for engine boosting but being able to conserve LP just for that I see as an advantage as well.
CoachGeo
Sounds like you have the right Idea.
The box can be made weather tight relatively simply,
Pelican cases can be an expensive example.
http://www.pelican.com/
http://www.pelican.com/cases/cases1.html
http://www.caseplaceusa.com/
They can even design one for you if the money was in great supply. I rarely have $300 or $400 buck lying around for the goats to eat, But on accation I do make a terrific find in the Military surplus.
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The gear box - pully combination is a good Attachment option. "The more gears the more options the more that can optionally go wrong" A nice UniMoG idea to keep close in mind while Keeping It Simple S''(KISS).
Give a ring if ya feel like discusing further, E-mail should be in the profile some where, You tell me and we will both know, about this here shin-dig computer world of yours.
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