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Congrats on the sale. But the bickering should not even happen .This is a FREE classified section for passionate benz lovers..... Where are you going to find a better market to sell your spare parts......????

Too much drama ! It's like separating my kids when their competitive egos got in the way.

I know its none of my business , but it should not go on .
PS I am not picking sides. Just hate reading this crap.....when 95 percent of the time we help each other.
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Fonzi and mz123 thanks for your understanding. This pissing contest along with that first post has ruined my for sale add. Due to that . Everyone will second guess these wheels.. Calling someone out infront of potential buyers isn't very nice. That's the best way for the item to be tainted. Exactly what happened here!


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in my opinion a more thorough description other than a one-liner (for a $1700 set of wheels), and a clear confirmation, that these are the right wheels fitting on such and such car would be nice for anyone interested and driving a Mercedes, but who ARE NOT in the tire/wheel- BUSINESS.

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in my opinion a more thorough description other than a one-liner (for a $1700 set of wheels), and a clear confirmation, that these are the right wheels fitting on such and such car would be nice for anyone interested and driving a Mercedes, but who ARE NOT in the tire/wheel- BUSINESS.

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Can you elaborate? Is there information you are seeking?

If you are looking to understand why these bbs rs133 fit a 560sl (and few others do), I can explain.

I'm not in the wheel business, just a little obsessive.

There is a BBS RS wheel chart that lists the dimensions of each RS model and also provides a cryptic listing of the cars that each model are supposed to fit (of the 80's era). The BBS RS133 say something that effectively means MB 107 models after 1985.

Why do the 1986-1989 107 models require something special? The spindles/hubs/rotors and calipers changed from a tapered cone hub with a caliper that was completely interior of the wheel mounting surface (where the lug bolts connect the wheel to the hub) to a shorter hub and a caliper that protrudes beyond the mounting surface by ~1.5". The means the back side if a wheel must basically look like a mushroom in order for the wheel to fit on a 1986-1989 107.

I call the 86-89 107 a "gen2 107".

I know people talk about similar issues with gen2 w126 calipers, but I really don't think the gen2 w126 caliper stuck out as much as the gen2 107 ones. I may be wrong about this, but if someone wants to measure the various gen2 w126 calipers, I would love to have the information finally sorted out.

Do you want links to the BBS RS charts, or is google sufficient?

If needed, I can dig up the TUV documents that YKA sent me, but I doubt this is the place or that anyone here needs them.

I do sell wheels differently than Romeo8426, but he didn't post incorrect information here. I do think there were some edits because the first time I read the OP I found the $1700 price tag next to a picture where it was very hard to see. It now looks clear. I think some pictures may have been added.

I will also say that I don't know what is intended by the "fit" vs "correct" comment. It's not worth fighting over, but I think that the only thing that is "correct" is the stock wheel. I suspect that it was implied that the AMG modifications were done correctly, and the dimension that AMG used was 8x16 et11. I can see that there is some logic in this, which is in line with Mercedes, which kept the backspace of the wheel approximately the same when they changed from 6.5x14 et30 to 7x16 et25. Both those wheels and the 8x16 et11 have similar backspace.
6.5x14 et30: 112.55mm
7x15 et25: 113.9mm
8x16 et11: 112.6mm
So the MB and AMG recommended wheels did not add anything to the inside as they added width to the wheels.

8x16 et21 bbs rs133: 122.6 mm of backspace.

Bbs knew what they were doing, and made a special model wheel for the 86-89 107. The 8.7mm of additional back space is no problem for a 107 that has not been modified and is using 225/50/16 tires. Lowered cars and cars with a v12 dropped in them have shown signs if rubbing with higher offset wheels, I don't believe there are any documented cases of 225/50/16 tires on a 8x16 et21-22 wheel on a 107 rubbing anywhere... (While many people have experienced rubbing the front spoiler in rare circumstances with 225/50/16 on 8x16 et11 on the front of a 107.

There's my opinion. More than a one-liner, as you have requested.






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If you are a buyer, I'd be glad to provide you a set of BBS RS to fit just about any MB from the 60s-90s in either silver or gold.


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As we all know there is "Fit" and "Actually fits" so the car doesn't look like a hay wagon.
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A nice write up for somebody else's tires, who seemed to not even care, deleting his old post......

My guess is, that you ARE in the tire business ?
Or where does one acquire such knowledge ?

I guess the only other remark that I have would be this:
If a seller takes a set of wheels off a car, he obviously knows he did.
But does he however know, if they actually were factory fitted or only later on put on the car ?
Passing on that knowledge/history or other hints are useful to the buyer and SHOULD BE in the description @ a staggering $1700 price tag.
As we all know: For a long time any Mercedes wheel would fit on another Mercedes simply because of the identical lug pattern, but......
Just my opinion of course....

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