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Thanks, guys, for the well intentioned comments. Tuesday afternoon, I decided just to dump the piece of junk and traded it in, on a new, 2013 Cadillac ATS. The problem is behind me and I'm outta here. Have fun.
Great, but the question begs, what did they give you for it?

I would be surprised that a dealer would give you anything for a car of that vintage, unless they had someone they knew who wanted it.

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Great, but the question begs, what did they give you for it?

I would be surprised that a dealer would give you anything for a car of that vintage, unless they had someone they knew who wanted it.

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You know the shell game that dealers play with the money. It was hard to tell, but in an effort to get a deal that I could live with, I agreed that trading the Benz might work, as opposed to me waiting to sell it myself. They were at $6,000 up front and a monthly payment of $328. The Benz had bled me of about $3,500 since 11/2012 and I simply didn't have anything to put up front. Whatever they gave me for it, in reality, they absorbed TT&L (Texas), Buy Down, Acquisition Fee and all I paid was the first payment of $328.00 and drove it away. It's a lease which includes all service and maintenance, oil changes, scheduled maintenance, tire rotations, car washes, etc. Everything but gas and tires, which ought to last 38 months. It nets out to about $20/month more than I was paying for a '10 Accord, which the Benz replaced, on which I had to pay for all service and scheduled maintenance. I have no idea if it's a good deal, financially, but from a stress standpoint, it's a relief. I won't have to worry about coming up with several hundred dollars for repairs, just to stay on the road, every time I turn around and, on my fixed income, that's worth money.

Although the ATS is a really terrific little car, getting great reviews, it doesn't drive like the W123. I'll miss the clatter and smoke, but, oh well.

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So I am guessing that Sewell Cadillac has that E for sale! Good luck with your CTS. Those are nice cars - and as you state - less stress for you. The old Benzs are cool, but if you don't do your own work, and enjoy the game, they are too expensive to keep going.
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I have followed a few recent for sale threads just out of curiosity, and have noticed that there are some self-ordained F/S thread watch dogs that seemed to walk a thin line of "Honesty" to "Expose the Bad Seller for what he is", and being "Civil". I can understand the anti-seller attitude when replying to a seller with 1 post, but I see long time members getting the ax over a poorly written ad, and god forbid the seller asks too much money, as the wrath of the watch dog kicks into high gear.

Is good manners and tactfulness becoming extinct? There are many ways to get a point across, blunt, hurtful, neutral, polite, a general question..etc, etc.

Jim, sorry you had to give up your Diesel 123, (corrected after LWB250's comment below ), but hopefully the next owner will take good care of it and appreciate it for what it is. Best wishes...

Oscar Wilde once said - “We know the price of everything and the value of nothing”

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Jim, sorry you had to give up your Diesel E Class 123, but hopefully the next owner will take good care of it and appreciate it for what it is. Best wishes...
"Diesel E Class 123?"

I'm confused. This was a W123 chassis. No class letters at this vintage.

From the number you mentioned it would appear that they gave you something on paper for the 300D, but in reality they probably gave you little or nothing. The real tell would be the actual selling price they used to calculate the lease. If it's MSRP or close to it, the manufacturer incentives paid the profit on this and the MB will go to the auction for pocket change.

Leases are notoriously bad for most consumers, unless you drive very little and you plan on leasing again when done with this car.

What matters is that you're pleased with the outcome.
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"Diesel E Class 123?"

I'm confused. This was a W123 chassis. No class letters at this vintage.
The W123 was the Precursor to the E-Class, just as the W126 was considered an "S-Class" though never badged as S(insert number here).

Some go as far back as the W114/115 when referring to the "E-Class".

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The W123 was the Precursor to the E-Class, just as the W126 was considered an "S-Class" though never badged as S(insert number here).

Some go as far back as the W114/115 when referring to the "E-Class".
Considered by whom? Some who?

I have been involved with Mercedes Benz vehicles/dealers/technicians, etc., for over 30 years. I have never heard anything like this. To imply that a prior model would be an "E" class because it's the precursor to the "E" class is goofy. That's like saying my former 1962 300SE was an "E" class. The model that succeeded it bore absolutely no resemblance to it.

There is no reference to anything of the like in the literature, whether it be sales or service. Mercedes make very distinct definitions of each model range, and draws no comparisons to prior models that I have ever seen, other than to point out improvements.

I would like to know of such references or where I might see such things in the literature.

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I can't say I'm "pleased" with the outcome, since a car that I truly loved to drive is gone. However, I can live with the ATS, which is a nice car which is getting good reviews. Even though the ride is not the heavy, comfortable, feel of the W123, it handles well and the cost free driving for 39 months, except for Gasoline will be very pleasant. I guess I should thank Cooljjay for his "good neighbor policy," (per ACMerker,) pointing out that the 300D wasn't worth my investment and that I should grab the $3,000 offer. (No one had ever offered me anything, so I'm not sure where that came from, but his point was made.)

All the documents I received with the car, from the original owner, (including the original Owner's Manual, which I kept, the Warranty Booklet, the stamped Identi-plate, or whatever they called it,) indicate the car was a W123 300D Turbo Diesel. The VIN, as I recall, started with W123. I never saw any reference to E Class, in any way, but Cooljjay probably knows better.

From the dealer's comments, I'm satisfied the car will go to auction. If so, I'd be interested in finding out what what it goes for. I actually considered possibly donating it to a charity, where I could write off the value of the car, but who knows what I should have claimed?

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Sadly, all of the provenance items mean nothing in an auction, because the people at the dealer's auction are looking at cars as a commodity, not something to take home and drive. For that matter, they might not even follow the car, as the selling dealer can just as well toss the stuff before the car gets hauled to the auction. They don't care.

Going the donation route can be tough, as the IRS makes donations above certain amounts ($5,000, I believe) require some sort of substantiation for their value, such as well documented comparable sales or a written appraisal.

Since these can both be very subjective on a car such as this, you're liable to get dinged after the fact if the IRS wants to be difficult. Not only that, but the donation only reduces your taxable gross - you don't really get the full value of the donation in your tax bill....

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Considered by whom? Some who?

I have been involved with Mercedes Benz vehicles/dealers/technicians, etc., for over 30 years. I have never heard anything like this. To imply that a prior model would be an "E" class because it's the precursor to the "E" class is goofy. That's like saying my former 1962 300SE was an "E" class. The model that succeeded it bore absolutely no resemblance to it.

There is no reference to anything of the like in the literature, whether it be sales or service. Mercedes make very distinct definitions of each model range, and draws no comparisons to prior models that I have ever seen, other than to point out improvements.

I would like to know of such references or where I might see such things in the literature.

Clearly in your 30 years you've never been to the MB Museum in Stuttgart; this is the "E-Class" exhibit. It chronicles the evolution of the E-Class up to where we know it today:



Kinda hard to make out, but you get the point. Pretty goofy, huh

Also, see this article from Edmunds, one of many that can be found around the Interwebs: 2013 Mercedes-Benz E-Class History

'85 Euro 190E 2.3-16
'84 Euro 500SE ~100k miles
'51 Euro 170S *Being reborn*
'97 Jeep Wrangler Sport ~42k miles
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