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Early Lug Bolts Wanted

I am looking for a 3 sets of lug bolts that were used on steelies from the 60s. The L.B.s that have the nickel cap like the one I have pictured. Looking for daily driver condition.
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I'm confused. Are you saying that you are looking for 3 sets of bolts like the one in your picture?

I have a 1967 250 SL, 1967 250 S, 1968 280S, and 1971 250C. All with the steel wheels. None of them have lug bolts that look like the one you have pictured. What the picture _looks_ like is the head of a lug bolt for BUNDT wheels (alloy). If it is, you should not use that with steel wheels.

Some cars (not in the 60s!) were sold with Bundt wheels on the ground but a steel spare, those cars would have a set of lug bolts for the spare with the spare.

I don't have the bolts. You can buy them on-line new for not too much, and I don't have the specifics for that. But please clarify if you are looking for bolts like the one in the picture.

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Yes-I am looking for 3 sets of the L.B's pictured (15 total). These are not for BUNDT wheels (alloy), they are shorter. I assumed that the one pictured was a stock lug bolt as they were with the vehicle when I purchased it (for the steel spare). It had the BUNDT wheels (alloy) on the car when I bought it, the alloy was pitted to a point that they would no longer hold air. I am switching to stock steelies. and need a complete matching set like the Lug bolt pictured. The quality matches the car nicely.
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Yes-I am looking for 3 sets of the L.B's pictured (15 total). These are not for BUNDT wheels (alloy), they are shorter. I assumed that the one pictured was a stock lug bolt as they were with the vehicle when I purchased it (for the steel spare). It had the BUNDT wheels (alloy) on the car when I bought it, the alloy was pitted to a point that they would no longer hold air. I am switching to stock steelies. and need a complete matching set like the Lug bolt pictured. The quality matches the car nicely.
Well all I can say is that I've never seen bolts like that. And Bundt wheels didn't exist in 1967 so that doesn't make any sense either. If you are saying that you purchased a car with 4 bundt wheels and one steel spare, and that these were the bolts with the spare, I _might_ be willing to believe that MB had "decorative" bolts for the spare wheel that had no hubcap, but I'm not willing to believe that MB had "decorative" bolts for a steel wheel that is covered with a hubcap.

Just to clarify, is the car we are talking about a 1967 250S? The picture attached is an original lug bolt from a 1967 250S. It is consistent in appearance with other lugbolts that I have seen for steel wheels.

I'm frustrated with "the quality matches the car nicely" since it is a decorative lugbolt used in a non-decorative application. It is unoriginal to being used with hubcaps.

I would be surprised if you can purchase these from MB. If it's what I think you are describing, it would be the extra bolt set that comes with a steel spare on a car that had OEM Bundt wheels. Good luck finding those.

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okay I got this figured out.
what I have is a set of stock lug bolts that someone installed some stainless steel caps on from an unknown manufacturer. They fit into the hole on top of the bolt. I think I will probably just pick up a set of oem lugs and be done with it.

Thanks Scoot for your knowledge on the subject

also: We are speaking of a 1967 250s and the rims it came with were not stock I think they were added to make the car look updated, I really don't like the look of BUNDT wheels on a 250s. like I said I am returning to stock wheels I also will be using stock hubcaps, without trim rings.

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okay I got this figured out.
what I have is a set of stock lug bolts that someone installed some stainless steel caps on from an unknown manufacturer. They fit into the hole on top of the bolt. I think I will probably just pick up a set of oem lugs and be done with it.
Mystery solved. The shoulder belt bolts on 1968 cars and later would look just about like that if you cut them down and stuck the stub into the hole.
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Thanks Scoot for your knowledge on the subject

also: We are speaking of a 1967 250s and the rims it came with were not stock I think they were added to make the car look updated, I really don't like the look of BUNDT wheels on a 250s. like I said I am returning to stock wheels I also will be using stock hubcaps, without trim rings.
You are welcome. Lots of people put Bundt wheels on early cars because the like the look. I think the trend today is to go more retro and take the later cars that had hubcaps in the European market but Bundts in the US and go back to the hubcap look. On a 1967 250 S to me Bundts are not a nice thing. When you say stock wheels with stock hubcaps without trim rings, do you mean you intend to use the dogdish hubcap but not the beauty ring that is usually used with the dogdish, or do you mean the full wheel cover that was used from about late 1967 through 1985ish (but not that late in the US market...)?

If you are going with dog dish, you need a particular type of wheel (one that has ears or studs for the hubcap). If you are going with the full wheel cover hubcap you can use almost any Mercedes hubcap wheel from 1966 - 198x. Bolt pattern and offset was constant for a zillion years.

If you are going with the full wheel covers you can also use aluminum-that-look-like-steel wheels (which I sell) and you end up with 11 pound aluminum wheels instead of 23 pound steel wheels. Depending on tire size desired, it isn't even that expensive. The aluminum wheels were 14 x 5.5" and 14 x 6". The 14 x 6" is rare and $$$ and the 1 x 5.5" is less rare and $. The came on MB W123 sedans in very limited quantity around 1981.

Is it correct that you bought the car with bad Bundts and currently don't have a functional set of wheels? You'll be fixed up in no time. Just make sure you end up with wheels that will work with the hubcaps that you want. If you aren't sure, PM me or email me etc.

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Yes I'm using the dog dishes, I also have a set of the wheel covers that cover the whole rim. I picked up a set of Steel rims off a 67 that was in process of being parted out. I like the look of the Steel rims with the dog dishes. I actuaully I have the rims and caps on the car now, I'm using an assortment of lugbolts that I picked up at a local pick and pull. It just bugs me that none of them match. and alot of them came off of BMW's.
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Yes I'm using the dog dishes, I also have a set of the wheel covers that cover the whole rim. I picked up a set of Steel rims off a 67 that was in process of being parted out. I like the look of the Steel rims with the dog dishes. I actuaully I have the rims and caps on the car now, I'm using an assortment of lugbolts that I picked up at a local pick and pull. It just bugs me that none of them match. and alot of them came off of BMW's.
Splurge and buy yourself new ones if you like - autohausaz has them for $1.50 each, enter your car and search for lug bolt. Part number (theirs or FEBIs) is 1704010170. Free shipping if you get your order up to $50, no sales tax. It's really easy to get up to $50. Wiper blades, air filters, etc.

So traditionally your steel wheel would be the body color of the car and your dogdish would be the roof color if different from body color. And you would have a chrome beauty ring that goes around the edge. Sounds like you either don't have the chrome rings or you don't like the chrome rings. I've heard that good reproductions are available inexpensively....

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I am looking for a 3 sets of lug bolts that were used on steelies from the 60s. The L.B.s that have the nickel cap like the one I have pictured. Looking for daily driver condition.
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This lug bolts in the picture came from a W208 clk wheel
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