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FS: R129 Panoramic Roof in Smoke Silver color EXCELLENT Saint Louis

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Been a while since I visited these parts. I am looking to buy a local SL500 on which I have already placed a deposit. This car has a panoramic roof which I have no real desire for as it is a very heavy part, the car does not include the stand, and even if it did, I have no garage to keep the top in when not in use. I am coming out of a 330Ci convertible and all in all just find the hard top to be a hassle as my previous convertibles haven't needed it. I suppose you all can school me on whether or not the cloth soft top on the SL can stand up to daily driver duty.

That being said, I am close to a deal on this particular car, and since I don't need the top, myself and the dealer decided to try something novel and include the sale of the top as a separate transaction to bridge the gap so I can buy the car. i.e. top buyer would inspect and pick up top at dealership and if satisfied, I would complete the car deal at the same time. You would be purchasing the top from me, and myself in turn the car from them.

Unfortunately, this means I can't ship the top and you will have to inspect and pick the top up in person at the dealership in the STL metro area during dealership business hours. However, I have checked the top out thoroughly and it is in excellent overall condition with NO RUST which is apparently common on these tops. Paint appears to be original. It also includes the interior sun shades FULLY in tact. All of the wiring is present and I removed the top for inspection when I was looking at the car and making sure the cloth top worked properly. In fact the only defect I noted on the entire top is one small door ding on the righthand pillar. I am certain a good PDR technician can get this out.

Price is $3100.00 and fairly firm. I know the value of these things and I know they can be repainted to match your color if need be. I realize this is a little unorthodox, but I have arranged it in such a way that there is no risk to the buyer. PM Me for further details or to schedule a time to see the top. Some basic photos are attached, I can take better ones if necessary. Thanks!






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I see where you are coming from but there are a couple of things to consider.

1. It cannot be shipped and has to be picked up in STL.

2. Before the economy tanked, I sold mine for $1000 and shipped it to TX (at buyers expense) Panos are in demand but the market may not be as strong as it once was.

That being said, I wish you luck with your possible purchase of your car. The 129 has a perfectly acceptable soft top.
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Thanks for the input (especially about the soft top). I have been examining various threads over the past 3 to 4 years to as recent as a few months ago on various MB and Euro specialist forums, along with Ebay sales of metal roofs and feel the price is fair. Unlike many who post these, I am not completely inflexible, but for 1k I'd certainly keep it as it adds overall value to the car for a later sale even if to me it's just cumbersome to deal with.
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Thanks for the input (especially about the soft top). I have been examining various threads over the past 3 to 4 years to as recent as a few months ago on various MB and Euro specialist forums, along with Ebay sales of metal roofs and feel the price is fair. Unlike many who post these, I am not completely inflexible, but for 1k I'd certainly keep it as it adds overall value to the car for a later sale even if to me it's just cumbersome to deal with.
It's hard to see into the future, but if you ever decide to sell the SL, having the original equipment glasstop with it may help selling the car.

I was looking for a bright silver 129 for quite a while, (with a Pano as a long shot).

When the deal came up on my SL w/original Pano, I couldn't pass it up even if it wasn't my first choice for color(Black).

I built an electric lift in my garage with used parts from ex-SL owners for a little over $100, and my storage carrier was a gift from guy who wrecked his 129. With the lift, I've got removing and installing down to a one man operation.

It takes up very little room when pushed against the wall in my garage during the summer and fall, and it's mounted on the SL from Thanksgiving to Easter. (I'm driving it today in this crazy northeast pre-spring weather we're having).

I would not part with my Pano, it is a very nice touch to owning a 129.

Anyway, good luck with your SL, you'll love it...

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With the lift, I've got removing and installing down to a one man operation.
My one-man hardtop removal and installation protocol requires nothing more than a good set of quads and abs. But, your way sounds a lot easier and its probably a bit safer as well.

OP, you definitely want to pop that pano off to confirm hydraulic leak-free operation of soft top. This is especially important if you intend to sell the pano right off the bat.
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Thanks again, to both you.

The day I viewed the car I had the sales manager and a couple of other guys remove the top and set it on their shop stand (this was how I also got to examine the hard top itself carefully while it was on the stand). I put the top up and down 3 or 4 times noting the area toward the latches to see if there was any hydraulic fluid leakage and didn't spot any. I noticed that the top on the SL actually operates so smoothly and effortlessly as compared to my 330Ci, too. Very quick operation for a 14 year old car.
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Thanks again, to both you.

The day I viewed the car I had the sales manager and a couple of other guys remove the top and set it on their shop stand (this was how I also got to examine the hard top itself carefully while it was on the stand). I put the top up and down 3 or 4 times noting the area toward the latches to see if there was any hydraulic fluid leakage and didn't spot any. I noticed that the top on the SL actually operates so smoothly and effortlessly as compared to my 330Ci, too. Very quick operation for a 14 year old car.
You're going to love it. I'd disregard the nay-sayers who tell you it is tantamount to sacrilege to sell the pano separately. I took the same flak for doing it too, but I actually came out ahead in the end. Don't get me wrong, the pano is alright, just not all it's cracked up to be IMO. If you ever have the urge to slap a hard top back on it, the aluminum ones are easy to find. Personally, if I want to see the sky in a cabrio, I will just drop the top. Amazing how many people leave those hard tops on and never take them off.
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You're going to love it. I'd disregard the nay-sayers who tell you it is tantamount to sacrilege to sell the pano separately. I took the same flak for doing it too, but I actually came out ahead in the end. Don't get me wrong, the pano is alright, just not all it's cracked up to be IMO. If you ever have the urge to slap a hard top back on it, the aluminum ones are easy to find. Personally, if I want to see the sky in a cabrio, I will just drop the top. Amazing how many people leave those hard tops on and never take them off.
If you have a very strong reason to sell off the cars original equipment, then so be it. But I'm for keeping these benz as close to original as possible. I don't like the 5 spoke AMG wheels that came stock with the Sport Option on my SL myself, and I've replaced them with R230 wheels. But, I'm keeping the original equipment wheels to go with the car, should I ever sell it.

As far as the looks or aesthetics of a Pano, it's a personal choice, and no one is wrong, it's what you like. At certain angles, I think the metal top has a better look, where the Pano has more of a R230 line to it... but again it's very subjective, and I'm not trying to sell the Pano on it's merits, just the ability to keep a complete car intact if you have the choice.

Money wise it could make more sense to sell it and pick up a metal top cheap, seen them as low as $500, but after you get the paint and interior right, that investment may not make sense either.

Anyway, I had a great ride home tonight, feels good to get the SL back on the road in the middle of winter for a day or two. Back into storage this week-end...

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That's a bummer.

First order of business when I moved to CA in 2000 was to pick up a 107 chassis SL as it was the first place I'd lived where it was practical to use a cabrio as a DD.
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It's funny you mentioned the part about the R230. When I was looking at pictures of Pano tops today in various past for sale threads, I had stop for a moment and make sure that I even had the same thing because of that very tapered, rounded off profile the pano roof has. I even thought that maybe there were two versions and I was looking at a later one. But I went back and looked at the photos and sure enough it is the same. It wasn't until after I really paid attention to this fact that I too had the thought of it having the profile of the R230. The R129 is just so blocky (in a good way) in general that that the "roundness" of the Pano roof was completely lost on me when I first saw the car in person.
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