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FS: Sportline 390mm steering wheels W124, W201, 500E

I have two Sportline steering wheels for sale, one without an airbag, and one with airbag. Additional photos of both are at this URL. The leather is in good condition, no tears or cuts. If re-dyed, they would look brand new again. These are pretty rare items, hard to find!

The Sportline steering wheel is part number 129-460-19-03-9045, MSRP is a mind-bending $1600.
The airbag is part number 129-460-06-98-9045, MSRP is $1380.


Sportline wheel #1, without airbag - SOLD
Sportline wheel #2, with airbag - SOLD




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Mighty tempting Dave...I may have to take you up on #2 if no one grabs it while I'm mulling it over
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How old is the bag???
Still good?
Is this a direct bolt on for my 95 E320?
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I believe the bag (and 2nd wheel) is a 1994 vintage. According to this PDF file, yep, it should be fine. And it is a 100% bolt-on for 1994-95 models.

On the 124, 1992-93 would need to swap over the contact ring from the old wheel. Pre-92 will need a different (92/93 style) contact ring. Sorry, I don't have the 92/93 contact ring, but I can supply the part number if needed...

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I believe the bag (and 2nd wheel) is a 1994 vintage. According to this PDF file, yep, it should be fine. And it is a 100% bolt-on for 1994-95 models.

On the 124, 1992-93 would need to swap over the contact ring from the old wheel. Pre-92 will need a different (92/93 style) contact ring. Sorry, I don't have the 92/93 contact ring, but I can supply the part number if needed...

100% Accurate statement.

Instructions for how to install a wheel like this on a older car are on my site

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Be careful...swapping out a wheel with the contact rings (circa 92-93) with a later W124 wheel isn't just a matter of swapping contact rings / centre into the new wheel. The wheels with contact rings also have 1)..different mounting points for centre section. They are deeper into the wheel..... and 2) the "ground" on the centre ring is different for 92-93 and later without concentric rings.
I don't think you can swap them....tested me, I've tried. Nobody seems to know how to over come the grounding problem of the concentric ring setup to the newer (post 93) centre section. You can't just swap the centre and the contact rings from a pre-93 to a post 93...it won't fit / work!
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To clarify... you can install a later wheel (94-up) on an earlier car with some part swapping.

You cannot install an early wheel on to a late (94-up) car, at least not without drilling, Dremeling, and other fun work:





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You're focused on the wrong side of the wheel...flip it over. The problem is inside.
As I said..it isn't that easy.
This 93 wheel out of a 400E has the same mounting hub, with 2 holes, as the 94 and up so no need to drill anything here and that isn't the problem...it's more involved then that.
The horn ring mount in the center of the 93 wheel, the spring loaded part that moves when you push the airbag to activate the horn, has 2 issues that stop it from being as easy as just swapping parts...like the hub horn ring......
1)... the 4 mounting points (actually 5..there is one right at the bottom) molded into the 93 wheel are at a different height from the bottom (or top) than on the 94 and later wheels. So you can't just swap the horn ring assembly along with with the concentric contact rings into the new wheel...the hub will not fit.
2)... even if you did ONLY swap the contact rings (squibb) into the new wheel and leave that horn ring hub in place....it still won't work because the grounding is different on the two horn rings! And when you try and use the horn by changing only the squibb into the later wheel, it keeps blowing fuses. DEAD SHORT.
Each of the four electrical contacts (top / bottom) on the early horn ring assembly from the 93 car (the one with the concentric circle contacts or squbb) are insulated, individually, from the top and bottom plate. Therefore, they are wired individually with a wire running to each of the four insulated contacts, around the bottom, to the ground wire coming from the contact ring!
The same 4 contacts on the later (94 up) horn ring are not wired separately at all. They are just an UN-insulated upper and lower copper contact riveted to the upper and lower horn contact plates.
With this set up you just plug the ground wire coming through the center hub onto the contact "ear" on the lower plate, left or center. This one connection grounds the whole lower ring on the 94+ as opposed to the 93 wheel. On it each contact is grounded individually and insulated from the bottom plate itself.
So, to swap a wheel from a later (94+) car WITHOUT the concentric "squibb" you must swap out the squibb AND the center horn ring because it has the individually insulated contacts that the "squibb" wiring requires.
BUT, if you are to swap the hub and squibb (and you must) then the new wheel must have the same molded mounting point positions in the wheel, for the hub, as the 93...or the hub won't fit, it'll sit to high.
Now, having said all that...it is possible that the mounting position for the hub is only an issue with the 92/93 400 / 500E wheels.
Can't imagine why but maybe.
Maybe the 300E wheels with the contact ring squibb for 92/93 have the same molded mounting points in the wheel as the newer 94+ wheel. In that case there isn't a problem because you just swap over everything..the squibb and the correct mated hub with the correct insulated grounding wire.
Solution ? ...for this set-up (93 400E wheel with contact rings swap to 94 wheel without )....well, there isn't one!!....unless somebody knows how to deal with the correct grounding of the uninsulated horn ring to the contact ring squibb so it doesn't generate a dead short when you engage the horn....OR...fit a later wheel that has the same hub mounting position so you can move over everything.....squibb and insulated contact hub.
Surprised this has never been discussed before......nobody seems to mention the separate insulated ground contacts on the early wheel...nor to mention that there are two different horn hub mounting platform heights on different wheels....weird.
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I'm not sure what donor wheel you have, but most mid/late 1990's wheels do NOT have the issue you describe above. I have installed numerous 94-up wheels into 1993 and older vehicles without any of those difficulties, other than obtaining the correct squibb.

1) If the wheel has 5 mounting screws for the squibb, it is 1991 or older.

2) I have never, ever seen a different mounting position for the hub on any year of W124. They are all interchangeable.

3) The horn wiring is slightly different between early and late, but it does not require swapping the horn internals. The metal sections are insulated from each other, one wire goes to each.

Lots of photos are here:
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Does this horn ring assembly look like anything you've come across?
Notice there are 4 mounting points, one at each corner, and an additional bolt that is also spring loaded and located at the center bottom. This is not attached to the wheel but joins the upper and lower horn ring.
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