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Speaker installation w/ pics

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#1 · (Edited)
OK, I'm going to give this a try and hopefully this helps.
I did a front speaker replacement on my '86 560 and will pass along some of the things I discovered. Most of you probably already have done this or know these things :eek: Those that know the proper technical terms for items I screwed up let me know and I'll edit the post :thumbsup:

Speakers I used FOCAL 100CVX. Here are the critical specs
http://www.focal-america.com/extras/specs/polyglass/100CVX_spec.pdf
Diameter 102mm tight but works
depth from flange to back of magnet 59mm -- more on this later
magnet diameter 72mm
farthest tweet can extend from front of speaker flange 13mm

Tools needed
small Phillips head, 11mm socket, 6" extension (min), and panel tool-see below (my name for this because I don't know the technical one)

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Physical capabilities needed
patience, a strong back (for getting under the dash), and a sailors vocabulary (for relieving frustration)

Things not to do
sit on the height adjustment lever, the plastic breaks easily at least it did with my fat ass :p

try to get to the screws on the drivers side speaker cover by pulling the knee bolster out of the way. You can break the thin connections that keep the carpeted fascia over bolster. See below. fixed by using gobs of clear hot glue.

Knee bolster removed

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Closeup of repair

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Easy part first -- Passengers side speaker

I took the glove box (GB) liner out to give more room to work and since I was also doing the Stereo install at the same time.
Glove box liner removal (didn't take pictures of this)
put the panel tool under the head of each or the 4 plastic rivets inside the GB and pull down. A small plastic pin comes out. Again using the panel tool pull the remaining plastic socket out that the pin was in.
Pull the light out and disconnect the wires. Now slowly wiggle the liner up and down while pulling it forward and out she comes

unscrew the two small phillips head screws

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This is what the little screws screw into, from the drivers side. Notice the small metal lip running across, it will be a pain when the new speakers go in.

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pull the cover slightly down then out. The clips should disengage from a bar on the top of the speakers and the cover comes off

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Unscrew the old speaker and save the screws for use with the new ones.
I wound up cutting the old speaker wires because they were zip tied to cable bundles and I was afraid I'd cut something important if I tried to get in there and cut the zip ties.
 
#2 ·
I don't recall having to remove the knee bolster. If you do have to remove the knee bolster, I thought it requires a 10mm socket.

The speakers covers are very easy to install if you just slip a piece of thin plastic or cardboard behind the metal strip and then slip the plastic under the two metal clips. Then slide the plastic with speaker cover up into position.
 
#4 ·
Part 2

Now you want to run your wires and get everything hooked up. Remember to have all the parts on hand and make it a clean install (not like mine with some ends covered and others open, etc). And if you are good at soldering that might be a better way to goo than crimping.

Note -- those cheap crimping tools are crap.

So you're ready to install the speaker. This is where that lip becomes a pain, more so on the drivers side than the passengers since you don't have the stalks and wheel in the way. I wound up using the panel tool as a sort of a wedge between the lip and the edge of the speaker to help push the speaker in. That lip is quit stiff considering it's size.

TEST each component before closing it up. Just trust me:D

I didn't know roncallo's system so I used the panel tool to hold the farthest clip out a bit and angling the cover got it under the bar then repeated with the nearest and slip the cover up. You might need to reposition the metal clip so the screws will go in the holes. But that is easily seen and done with the GB liner out and the tips of the screws.

Remember that there appears to be much more depth to work with on the PS than the DS

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NOTE -- MB has a great grounding spot waiting should you need it. Just another ring terminal and you're done.

Cool PS side done

Drivers Side.

If you need to remove the knee bolster, I'd recommend it since it gives a lot more room to work in, there are two small plastic caps, you need to remove, on the front bottom edge of the bolster.

Cap removed
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Using the extension and either an 11 or 10mm socket you need to loosen the clamping nut. They have a lot of thread so loosen a good bit.

Clamping Nut - exposed
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Knee bolster removed
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Now just slide the bolster forward and it will release when you get to the large holes.

OK pain in the A$$ time. Because of the tight fit behind the stalks it is more difficult than the PS but is the same steps for RR.

Also, it appears that the depth is less, large metal support bar running along the back top of the dash,

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so my DS speaker currently sticks out a bit, 1/8 to 1/4", and the cover doesn't fit flush when I rotate the tweeter to face me.

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Yes I know, this pic doesn't show the tweeter rotated.

I got bored with this and will get back to making it flush when it cools down.
Now just reverse the process and put it all back together. Again, TEST before closing up.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Part 3

There is a small access panel in the back of the GB liner that can be used to run accessory cables through. I used it for the iPod cable on the new HU.

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Also, if you want to run rear speakers there is a good bit of space under the chrome trim piece on the DS floor, under the door. The PS appears to be where the power is run from the trunk battery to the terminal under the hood.
As we all know don't want speaker wires and power leads next to each other.
 
#8 ·
How do the Focals sound?
Heck compared to the original my son's singing was better. I originally went with a set of Infinity Kappa 42.7i's (4" coax) in the front and Kappa 692.7i's (6x9 coax) in the rear with an Alpine 9887 HU. The Infinities were to sharp or tinny, to my ear, and the 6x9's didn't have the bass response I was looking for.

So I switched to the Focal 100CVX (4" coax) in the front and 690CVX (6x9 coax) in the rear. They have a much sweeter sound, if that makes sense?

But for 2.5 times the price I would hope for a different sound. Also, the Focal magnets have got to be 2 to 3 times larger so I'm sure that helps the bass response and performance.
 
#7 ·
I did a HU (Alpine) replacement at the same time. The HU had the striped wires as negative so that's how I wired all the speakers. Not really sure it makes a difference though as long as all the speakers are the same. Otherwise you will have phase (one speaker pushing out while the other pulls in plus an approximately 3ms delay in the signal) problems.

Now the 3ms difference is going to be a problem because I know all of you have Time Adjusted/Aligned (TA) your speakers. Right?
 
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#9 ·
Given that I won't be going to an external amplifier, subwoofers?? and other stuff I don't understand, is there any point in having 4 speakers instead of 2?
The deeper the note, the more air you have to move to get that note reproduced on a stereo system. A small speaker - like the ones in the dash - simply can't move enough air to reproduce deep notes. You'll have no effective bass. That isn't a problem for everyone, so maybe you won't care.
 
#21 · (Edited)
For rear speakers run the wire as nobby said on the drivers side. You can go to WalMart and buy a pre-made box for either 6x9 or 6.5" speakers. Look where they sell auto speakers. Takes about 5 minutes to put together and They cost about 13 US each. they are slightly angled up and give you a bit of a chamber for added bass. You just set them on the rear parcel and done.
 
#23 ·
The knee bars came about with the idea of a totally passive restraint system used in conjunction with the air bags, i.e., not using the seatbelt, and was intended to keep you from sliding under the dash (at the expense of your knees).
 
#24 ·
Hate to bring up a old thread but wanted to say thanks for the detailed directions on how to remove everything. Didnt replace speakers but did replace the fabric on the speaker covers . Thank God for hot glue , did a good job on all broken parts as you said :)