Considering the fact that the engine sits on the subframe, then yes....it has to come out or be supported from the top while you pull the frame out the bottom.
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Nobby and Scottinsocal,
It seems to me that you guys are very knowledgeable about our cars. It's great to have you guys on these threads. Thank you.
Quick question, it mentioned in the Mercedes Benz 107 SL SLC Roadster Subframe Recall Page that the subframe on W114 is the same. I think I saw a few at the junk yard. I just want to verified this just in case the 450SLC subframe is already craked. Also, the author on the page mentioned about the W114 being boxed at the joints. Would that be a better bet to pull from that car even though it is older?
Have you spoken to MB at all? With those photos of your catastrophic failure, I would at least visit a dealer in an effort to get the recall extended. Living in the Bay Area you've got several dealers relatively close by. If you are aware of any one of those dealers having a better reputation for customer service, that may be the place to visit.
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Nobby and Scottinsocal,
It seems to me that you guys are very knowledgeable about our cars. It's great to have you guys on these threads. Thank you.
Boy, we got you fooled.
This forum is great because of ALL the contributers. I can't think of a question that has gone unanswered.
We are a big family pitching in where we can to get the chores done.
As far as YOUR question is concerned....I don't know the complete answer.
But someone here will.
It seems to me that you guys are very knowledgeable about our cars.
That's flattering but, as Nobby said, the credit is due to the forum as a whole. Go back and look at some of the questions I posted a year ago. You'd laugh yourself silly.
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I got help from a Hispanic gentleman. It cost me $80 but it was well worthed. We got the subframe out of the 79. It took 2 hours. It's in good condition with no signs of cracking.
I walked out the check out counter and showed them what I got and the total was $215.00 for the subframe and the control arms. The complete subframe comes with brakes, sway-bar, steering box. for only $160.00. I had to go back to pull the rest of the stuff to be able to get the complete suspension's price. I made a deal with them to come back to pull the steering box tomorrow. Does anyone need a steerring box? I replaced mine about 6 months ago.
Yes, I live nearby two big MBZ dealers. I went there to order the gusset to weld to the new "used" subframe while it is out of the car and I didn't think about asking them about the extension of the recall. Maybe I'll try and hopefully I should get the gusset thrown in.
When I got to the frame shop, they had already welded the broken parts together. They told me that it is stronger now than before. The cost was $350. They did this without calling me for authorization. It would cost $950 to swap out the subframe. I don't know which way to go...tell me what you think...
When I got to the frame shop, they had already welded the broken parts together. They told me that it is stronger now than before. The cost was $350. They did this without calling me for authorization. It would cost $950 to swap out the subframe. I don't know which way to go...tell me what you think...
The repair weld may be stronger, but the actual mounting tabs are unchanged. And you didn't say what they did or didn't do to the right side.
As far as the salvage sub frame, you haven't commented on whether or not it is an update frame. I myself would prefer to install the factory upgrade over a welded unit.
I would still visit the dealer and petition for warranty coverage, which with your catastrophic would mean an entirely new cradle and the labor. You would be liable for replacement frame and motor mounts.
Given your cash outlay for salvage parts, and the charge from the frame shop, you are in a bit of a pickle.
joconab cool to hear from another mercedes owner in the bay area, I live on the peninsula in belmont. Too bad about that subframe, I'll be damned. I bet you that must have sounded great. Which yard do you go to? I need to get a spare alloy rim the original spare sucks and the tyre looks like it is 30years old, I think it would explode if you put weight on it. I know these alloys must be a dime a dozen but they seem hard to find.
Good luck getting your car fixed unfortunately as we all know you just might need it.
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I got help from a Hispanic gentleman. It cost me $80 but it was well worthed. We got the subframe out of the 79. It took 2 hours. It's in good condition with no signs of cracking.
I walked out the check out counter and showed them what I got and the total was $215.00 for the subframe and the control arms. The complete subframe comes with brakes, sway-bar, steering box. for only $160.00. I had to go back to pull the rest of the stuff to be able to get the complete suspension's price. I made a deal with them to come back to pull the steering box tomorrow. Does anyone need a steerring box? I replaced mine about 6 months ago.
Yes, I live nearby two big MBZ dealers. I went there to order the gusset to weld to the new "used" subframe while it is out of the car and I didn't think about asking them about the extension of the recall. Maybe I'll try and hopefully I should get the gusset thrown in.
When I got to the frame shop, they had already welded the broken parts together. They told me that it is stronger now than before. The cost was $350. They did this without calling me for authorization. It would cost $950 to swap out the subframe. I don't know which way to go...tell me what you think...
Wow. You don't waste any time. And apparently, neither does your frame shop. You need to have a chat with the owner / manager there and see what he's going to do for you.
If welded properly, it should be fine but, as Dr.Dave asked, what about the tabs? What about the other side?
As far as the used, new to you parts, you should be able to ebay them no problem. Or keep them as spares. Or store them for one of us for when we need them.
Dave,
I took the subframe home and gave it a clean up. It appeared that the control arm's mounting point was boxed-in as in the picture of the subframe recall. "The 114 type"...It is definitely better than what I have in my 380SL. I decided to spend the extra money and took it back to the shop to have it swapped out with the broken unit. I test drove my car and it felt different. My thinking was that the weld might be stronger but with the force that dragged the control arm when it dropped could bring other parts out of the geometry. Furthermore, the weld unit will haunt me as my flash back of what happened when the frame broke. I don't think I can ever be comfortable with a welded unit. My philosophy that once the glass has broken, no way to make it new as if it never happened. BTW, I went by Beshoff Motors, a Mercedes dealer here in San Jose, to order the support gusset. It's a special order item and it cost $120. part# 107 330 00 68. I also asked them about the extension of the recall to my case. I showed them the pictures of my car and the broken frame. They gave me a phone number to a MB customer hot line. I let you guys know if I get anything out of them.
Daryn,
There are two "Pick and Pull" yards in San Jose. They had a good looking set of polished Brunts, but when I went there this morning the car that had the brunts on got taken away to the press. BTW, I have an extra set of the 15" 560SL style wheels with two good tires on them. I'll make you a deal if you want them to get some money for all these unexpected repairs. My email in johnathann@gmail.com let me know.
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