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Old 04-20-2007, 10:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What dash speakers?

I'm having the retro Becker 4602? AM/FM CD/iPod Aux installed next week and I'm assuming that I should replace my dash speakers. I don't plan on adding any others in the rear, but I want the best sound possible. Do any of you have any recommendations? Are there any drop-ins or do we need to do some cutting?
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Visit crutchfield... reports are, they have a near drop-in that fills the bills. I do not recall the size, but depth is the main problem. A cursory search in the fora here may uncover a size/model.

I hope you are not expecting much hi-fidelty... The dash speakers are minimal at best, although they work fine for me. I prefer the sounds of the road/engine when I'm driving about.

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Old 04-21-2007, 01:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Put in a good quality set of 4inch speakers and a subwoofer and amp in the boot.

My clarion cd/mp3 setup sounds great because the sub plays the low ranges the little speakers cannot.
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Old 04-21-2007, 04:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I replaced the dash speakers in no time.

But I agree with the others - no matter what quality the 4 inchers - with only two speakers you still miss out on a full sound.

While it's not a big deal (ears is right about the car sound!) I'd like to sneak in a rear speaker somewhere.
Problem is I have rear seats...

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what you need are a couple of 5-8" subs under each seat in a sealed enclosure.
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Old 04-21-2007, 07:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thank you all...if I start with the 2 dash speakers and find it lacking, can I add more later or do I need select different dash speakers now for later expansion?
Should we pull new wire? As you can see I don't know anything about sound...Is there really room in the boot?
Also, do any of you have advice on where I should put the ipod aux cable. Unfortunately, the retro Becker aux option is a mini stereo jack and does not plug into the bottom and charge the ipod as well, or I would stow it in the glove box. But with this cable you still have to access the ipod to control. I saw a neat console holder for phone and or ipod www.proclipsusa.com has anyone tried this?
I was soooo tempted to get one of the new heads with bluetooth and ipod control through the radio screen...but I just couldn't do it...just too gawdy
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As you can see I don't know anything about sound...Is there really room in the boot?
Basics on sound (very, very basic - don't be insulted if it's too basic):

To make sound, you have to move air. The lower the note, the more air has to be moved. That's why woofers and subwoofers are large.

The dash speakers are 4" speakers, and they can't move much air, so you can get great highs and mid-range, but no bass to speak of. There's no way around that. If you get a good quality 4" speaker, it's perfectly easy to expand it later and go with larger speakers in the parcel shelf. You just get an amplifier with a built-in crossover and send only the high and mid-range sound to the front speakers, and send all the sound (accented toward the bass, if you want) to the back speakers. Since you're not calling yourself an audiophile, you won't have to worry about the picky details like having the response matched between front and rear, or phase differences caused by different distances between speakers, or any of that crap. It's all pretty much useless fluff in a convertible, anyway.

I'd get an Infiniti or comparable 4" 2 way speaker. That means it has a 4" cone to produce the mid-range sound, and a smaller tweeter to produce the highs. You can later, if you want, add an amplifier and 8" two or three way speaker in the back to produce the low end.

It would be useless to put them in the trunk, because there's too much between the trunk and your ears.
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Old 04-21-2007, 08:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Good points...Do you have model numbers for either the Infinitys or the MB Quarts I keep hearing about. As Ears said there is a depth concern and I don't want to order the wrong speaker. I am having my indy do the install, so I need all the components together. While his hands might be greasy, he knows how everything comes apart and won't break anything.
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Old 04-21-2007, 09:52 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Basics on sound (very, very basic - don't be insulted if it's too basic):

To make sound, you have to move air. The lower the note, the more air has to be moved. That's why woofers and subwoofers are large.

Since you're not calling yourself an audiophile, you won't have to worry about the picky details like having the response matched between front and rear, or phase differences caused by different distances between speakers, or any of that crap. It's all pretty much useless fluff in a convertible, anyway.
Good basic info.

Especially the bit about convertables being the wrong car for an audiophile.

Personally I think cars full stop are no good for audiophiles.

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It would be useless to put them in the trunk, because there's too much between the trunk and your ears.
The assumption that a subby in the boot won't work is purely that. An assumption.

It works because bass, especially in a convertable is all about low frequency. The car body still transfers the low frequency through the boot to the passenger compartment. Treble wouldn't make it from the boot but it's bass we want from there.

The whole reason for the subby is you don't have to mutilate the interior putting larger speakers in. Run a power/ground and RCA to the boot and fit a subby/box and amp.

It's not audiophile quality but it sounds good in a convertable and it does work

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OMG, Only now I realised the disadvantage ;-) of SL compared to SLC in terms of sound. NO rear speakers!
In SLC's at the back one can install good (Infinity Kappa) 5¼ speakers while closing airvents (or sound is terrible) and sound improvement effect is unpercievable.
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