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If gun ownership truly deters crime, why don't we require that every adult citizen own a gun? And require safety and proper operational training prior to issuance of said gun? Screw these fully automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, issue everyone a S&W Model 19. Wouldn't that keep the criminals on the straight and narrow, knowing that every household had at least one gun on the premises?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Nothing "deters" these sorts of crimes per se; they are, by definition, acts that are only committed by people with screws loose (not talking about petty B.S. but serious offenses like robbery, rape, murder, etc). They will not be deterred because they don't have the same value system (or any at all). The gun is not invalidated because they are ineffective at deterring crime, they are validated precisely because crime cannot be deterred.

You wouldn't drive an unsafe car because of the risk to others, but because of the risk to yourself. The instinct of self-preservation and the simple ability to observe the world around us is all the reason anyone needs to own a firearm.
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Nothing "deters" these sorts of crimes per se; they are, by definition, acts that are only committed by people with screws loose (not talking about petty B.S. but serious offenses like robbery, rape, murder, etc). They will not be deterred because they don't have the same value system (or any at all). The gun is not invalidated because they are ineffective at deterring crime, they are validated precisely because crime cannot be deterred.

You wouldn't drive an unsafe car because of the risk to others, but because of the risk to yourself. The instinct of self-preservation and the simple ability to observe the world around us is all the reason anyone needs to own a firearm.
Waste of time using a rational argument.

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Nothing "deters" these sorts of crimes per se; they are, by definition, acts that are only committed by people with screws loose (not talking about petty B.S. but serious offenses like robbery, rape, murder, etc). They will not be deterred because they don't have the same value system (or any at all). The gun is not invalidated because they are ineffective at deterring crime, they are validated precisely because crime cannot be deterred.

You wouldn't drive an unsafe car because of the risk to others, but because of the risk to yourself. The instinct of self-preservation and the simple ability to observe the world around us is all the reason anyone needs to own a firearm.
I agree 100%. I advocate requiring every of-age citizen to own a gun and be fully trained and licensed for its use. Let's go a step further and require that the guns be carried at all times. It would be inconvenient for skinny-dipping and al fresco nooners, but I'd probably get used to it.
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I agree 100%. I advocate requiring every of-age citizen to own a gun and be fully trained and licensed for its use. Let's go a step further and require that the guns be carried at all times. It would be inconvenient for skinny-dipping and al fresco nooners, but I'd probably get used to it.
Bring back the draft but change our military structure where it's a militia Swiss style. I would support that 100%
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I agree 100%. I advocate requiring every of-age citizen to own a gun and be fully trained and licensed for its use. Let's go a step further and require that the guns be carried at all times. It would be inconvenient for skinny-dipping and al fresco nooners, but I'd probably get used to it.
Didn't this country go through this period about 150 years ago? Period when the only law West of the Pecos river was "Judge" Roy Bean?
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Why don't we apply the same everybody in "mutual destruction" philosophy to nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons are just inert objects, completely incapable of doing any harm without a willing human finger behind the trigger. Wouldn't that deter international crime?
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Nukes seemed to have prevented global thermonuclear war for about 40 yrs or so. Late forties to late 1980's. Is there another system of governmental activity that has an unmodified shelf life approaching that success? Maybe mattress tags?

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