Vychan, what do you suppose we should do with the Muslim population since they are astray?
Should we kill them all and start over?
Should we force them into converting to Christianity?
Should we accept them for who they are and try to figure ways not to escalate our differences into wars?
One of the first problems you will face is that you're using a book (The Bible) that many here consider fiction/fantasy to discredit another such book.
I wish you blessings on your quest...and a very Merry Christmas to you, as well.
"Anyway I figured I would start a thread on Christianity and other religious beliefs. And the danger of religion and murder on religious grounds. It appears that all religions have murdered. This leads people to ask if all religions have murdered.......then what is the truth?"
Christians murder because of ignorance of their own scripture. Maybe about 10-20% of christian categorized groups do not believe in this war against muslims and many not in killing at all. Muslims who do kill do so for vengence or self defense even though christians claim the koran says to. Muslims were not interpreting those scriptures to kill until they were being killed. Muslims weren't killing or "out to get" christians in modern years until christians started killing them by the hundreds of thousands.
All of the modern conflict between jews, muslims, and christians starts with the false identity of Israel and a deception of what Israel really is. The "synagogue of satan " term you mention is from the Christian Bible regarding an end day prophecy about false jews and a false Israel that most christians will blindly follow and think they are doing a service to God. That term is what God called them in that prophecy.
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All of the modern conflict between jews, muslims, and christians starts with the false identity of Israel and a deception of what Israel really is. The "synagogue of satan " term you mention is from the Christian Bible regarding an end day prophecy about false jews and a false Israel that most christians will blindly follow and think they are doing a service to God. That term is what God called them in that prophecy.[/QUOTE]
Then the prophesy must be coming true.
Besides are there not two groups of modern Jews. The Sephardic who actually can track bloodlines to Abraham via Issac ONLY, and Ashkenazi who are non blood trackable converts?
Which of these groups controls modern Israel then?
So I was in debate on this site with a not really anti-Semite, but clearly someone who opposed the "Synogogue of Satan" (Rev 3:9). This man was a Muslim, but a seemingly open Muslim.
Anyway I figured I would start a thread on Christianity and other religious beliefs. And the danger of religion and murder on religious grounds. It appears that all religions have murdered. This leads people to ask if all religions have murdered.......then what is the truth?
Anyway I came across a paper on Islam and figured I could start the thread there, the Inquisitions and other atrocities may follow.
Anyway that paper was called "THE ISLAM KILLER" here it is below.
The purpose of this volume is to reveal, with absolute certainty, facts that prove Mohammed was a false prophet. And also to arm others with the truth. This by clearly proving that Mohammed was incorrect, biased, and just outright lying.
This will lead the reader to conclude, “Genuine prophets do not receive or dispense false, biased, or erroneous information without the error being confronted, withstood, and corrected within the same scriptures writings.” (Paul withstood Peter to the face)
The gross errors that Mohammed makes in these following statements only serve to substantiate this sentiment. Here we will review some of the blasphemous Surah’s of Mohammed.
Surah 4:171-172 “The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was nothing more than Allah’s apostle and His Word which He cast to Mary: a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His apostles and do not say ‘Three’. Allah is but one God. Allah forbid that he should have a Son!”
There are many errors in this statement. The first of which we will address by the two edged sword of Christian scripture. As it is written in 1st John 2:22-23 of the Christian New Testament, 22“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTI-CHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (But) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
The above quoted Christian scripture existed hundreds of years prior to, and at, the very time of Mohammed. Surah 4, by the vehement denial of Jesus status as GODS Son, qualifies Mohammed as an Anti-Christ. Who according to Christian scripture such a person has not (Allah) or the FATHER. Mohammeds other denials are found in Surah’s 18:1-5, 19: 88-92, & 23: 90-91. Keep in mind that a centuries old Christian community thrived, and Mohammed himself relied on CHRISTIAN BOOKS to glean information which he could craft his Koran.
It is doubtless that Mohammed had confronted well established Christianity. This due to the clear abundance of established Christians. By examining Mohammed’s own writings in the Koran it can be determined that Mohammed was addressing the claims of an, again, well established Christian population. This Christian population obviously condemned Mohammed for his inability to comprehend the Holy Trinity and for his refusal to admit that Jesus Christ was GOD’S only begotten Son.
These Christian’s practices, worship system, and established beliefs dated back to the original church…….existing over 600 years earlier than Mohammed , his Koran, or Islam!
So it is essential to probe further into the motives of a man who would seek to subvert well established Jewish and Christian beliefs. And it is critical to dissect a book that seeks to re-write both Hebrew and Christian texts, with the intent to transform them into Pro-Arab rhetoric! It is without question that such motives would be entirely and in every respect due to a racist, nationalistic and political agenda.
We will get into that later. But let us look deeper into the profanities of Mohammed’s Koran.
Surah 9:30 “The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. Allah confound them! How perverse they are!”
The Jews say Ezra is the son of GOD? How Interesting! The Jews never, at any time, claimed that Ezra was the son of GOD. Jewish Holy Scripture reveals that Surah9:30 has no foundation in Judaism or common Jewish teachings on Ezra.
Surah 28 “It was our will to favor those that were oppressed; and to inflict on Pharaoh, Haman, and their army, the very scourge dreaded by their victims.”
Pharaoh and Haman? Surah 28 reads like a fusion! Haman was the evildoer who attempted to exterminate the Jews under the reign of King Ahasuerus, …..not the Pharaoh’s. It was this same King Ahasuerus who wed Jewish Esther, the relative of Mordecai. The scourge of extermination was eventually turned on Haman’s own family.
The fusing together of these two persons, and timelines in Surah 28, (read the entire Surah 28), is more evidence of a self righteous Mohammed dispensing error. After all, it is very easy to write a moving and poetic gospel. Just ask any writer. Or better yet…… ask Joe Smith, penman of the Mormon profanities.
Surah 19 “And when she felt the throes of childbirth she lay down by the trunk of a palm tree.”
“She made a sign pointing to the child. But they replied: ‘How can we speak with a babe in the cradle?’ Whereon he, (baby Jesus), spoke and said: ‘I am the servant of Allah.’”
Mary birthed Jesus under a palm tree? Jesus spoke as a baby? Why is there no real or specific mention of Joseph, the Shepherds who arrived, and later the Magi?
Why does Mohammed’s account of the Nativity read like an error filled narrative by a man who has mishandled well established Christian prophesies, events, and facts?
The answer is simple!
Mohammed has just confused Jesus triumphant entry into Jerusalem,…..with the Nativity! He filled in the rest with his own nationalistic blasphemies. But in Bible prophesy, concerning Jesus Christ’s triumphant entry into Jerusalem, it is written, “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hath you ordained praise.” This Old Testament prophesy was fulfilled when babies shouted “Hosanna!”, along with other worshippers who laid down palm leaves in Christ’s path as he rode into Jerusalem.
This is one area that Mohammed overlooked in his cramming and an area where he completely discredits himself.
His writing proves a confusing of events associated solely with the Nativity, with other events solely associated with Christ’s Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem. Jesus did not speak as a babe. But the babes in the crowd spoke when Jesus entered Jerusalem on the ass’ colt. Modern Christians celebrate this event as Palm Sunday.
But one thing is for sure. This shows is that the Christian account is much more in depth concerning the Nativity than Islam’s clear mistakes.
In the Bible the social and political settings surrounding the birth and birthplace of Jesus Christ are without conjecture!
In the Bible, in regards to the political landscape of the time, specific information is given to the very Caesar, including information that pinpoints regime changes. Thus providing an accurate Roman government chronicle specific to the exact year of a particular Caesar’s rule. This as well as the tax collection protocol that had Joseph and Mary required in the City of David. Bethlehem was packed due to the Roman tax protocol! This left no room for Joseph and Mary at the Inn. Therefore Jesus was laid in a manger.
In the Koran, concerning ,by then, well established Jewish and Christian scripture, Mohammed fails to correctly process critical information and establish proper timelines. In brief passages he confuses personages. And, in a nationalistic pride, he outright fabricates accounts.
…..Especially concerning Ishmael and Isaac.
In others Mohammed displays complete ignorance of, or just fails to mention, key players. Like Melchizedek. Mohammed boldly references Abraham, Ishmael, David, Isaac, Moses, Mary, Aaron, Jacob and more…..
…..while making ZERO mention of MELCHIZEDEK and his status as KING & PRIEST in Salem. Mohammed was ignorant of the fact that the holder of BOTH of these titles, in Salem, qualifies that person as “Like the Son of GOD”, “Living to make intercession” and “Abiding as Priest continually.”
Jewish and Christian scripture both verify one specific thing. That one thing being: 1. ….. Melchizedek met Abraham with Bread and Wine AND functioning in the capacity of Royal Priest…..in the city of SALEM!
But Islam makes no mention of the Sacrament Consecration that this meeting specifically represented or, (as I am sure the Christians of the day debated with Mohammed), how it prophesied the actual, future, body and blood of Jesus Christ as the final atonement. And also a prophesizing of the same bread and wine given Abraham as being available to all believers at some future date in the form of Holy Communion.
Those future Christians becoming partakers in the Royal Priesthood and being called “Peculiar people” and having “Zeal for good works”.
Mohammed claiming expert knowledge of both Abraham and Jesus Christ then I would compare to someone claiming to be an expert in “Star Wars, but somehow failing to mention or recognize “The Force.” And then when being questioned about “The Force” answering……“What Force?”
I believe that since the only begotten Son of GOD was a Jew, a staunch
anti-Hebrew, (not anti-Semitic ),Mohammed simply preferred not to recognize any as Son of GOD. I also believe this was the mindset behind the easily discredited claims of Mohammed as having “ascending into Heaven” at Jerusalem.
…..Because one does not just simply “ascend” into Heaven.
Jesus ascended up to Heaven only after taking the sins of the world down into Hell. In the process of doing so, Jesus acts completed a process known as leading “captivity captive”. This completed process distributed a spiritual gift to all Christians, giving them power to subject the evil spirits, and real Demons which are fallen Angels. These believers were commanded to rejoice because their names were written in Heaven, rather than because of their spiritual gifts that subjected these very real devils.
Elijah was driven up to Heaven by “The Chariot of Israel and the Horsemen thereof”, in a rapid spirit based vehicular transit. To some spectators there was the presence of the whirlwind associated with this event.
Enoch was simply “taken”, there was no physical death, slow ascent, or Angelic controlled vehicle involved in his route to Heaven. He simply “Walked with GOD”. GOD was so pleased with Enoch that GOD decided to PERSONALLY “take him”.
Let me re-iterate, “You simply do not just ascend into Heaven.” And of the above three example’s listed it is ascent that Islam claims in regards to Mohammed’s exit from this world.
As preached by his followers, Mohammed’s ascent was equal to, similar to or presumably like the ascention of Christ. This falsehood is a testimony to the errant beliefs and misunderstanding of the followers of Mohammed and his Koran.
But the Bible reveals specifics concerning ascent. Along with the requirement of going to Hell first, in an ascent, there is also a verbal guarantee given that the ascender will also return back to Earth from the locale of Heaven. This when the disciples were questioned by two Angels about “Why they are gazing up ?”
Mohammed, then, is disqualified for ascent on both charges because the Koran reveals no going to Hell, no distribution of spiritual gifts to the followers of Mohammed’s Islam, no verbal Angelic guarantee of a personal return of Mohammed after him being ascended, and no permanent atonement for sin.
In the end it is without doubt that Mohammed merely sat, throughout various life experiences, and proceeded to pen his own “PEP TALK”. Using whatever pieces of Old and New Testament he could find, Mohammed crafted a book of profanities, blasphemies, lies, and personal opinions. Thus calling it “The Holy Koran”.
This profane volume was solely intended for the empowerment of Arabic peoples. His words meant specifically as a “pep talk” to the descendants of Ishmael. And also as a biased gospel, deeming the Arabic language as somehow…… “Holier than thou.”
The early Christians, with whom Mohammed had addressed in his Surahs …..while he was still penning his Koran….., had come to this very same conclusion!
This discrediting of Islam is concluded with the true word of GOD. This is found in the Christian book of Galatians 1: 6-9 where it is written, 6“I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, that would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Anyway after reading this I was much more informed on the origins of this particular religion. Most Christians never pick up a Koran. Even In high school, when Spike Lee's Malcolm X was in theaters, I recall most suburban black students who wore the X hats thought that Islam was just another obscure form of Christendom.
If anyone has any information on the Inquisition and murder in the name of Christ feel free to post that next and keep the thread moving.
Or if anyone has specifics on The Mormon Murders and other religious fanaticism feel free to post.
I did not read all of that since much was unbearable. I have my doubts about that translation. Even given the benefit of the doubt and assuming all those quran quotes were true and accurate from the actual language, it was not muslims the bible was talking about. The way christians come up with muslims being the "arch enemy" is listening to jews and masonic lucifereans (masonic government) who have controlled christian churches for a long time now. It is very obvious the bible was talking about jews as antichrists, not muslims. How come they never mention that? Do they mention that it was false latter days jews that God called the "synagogue of satan" in the christian Bible like it directly says? At worst, muslims are irrelevent in the Bible yet they make them the "arch enemy" and change the bibles actual arch enemies to heroes and call muslims the arch enemy? Why is that? I'll tell you why. Read my first comment.
So I was in debate on this site with a not really anti-Semite, but clearly someone who opposed the "Synogogue of Satan" (Rev 3:9). This man was a Muslim, but a seemingly open Muslim.
This Muslim would be me and the exchange took place in the israeli crimes thread, however the term, "Synagogue of Satan" is a Biblical term that YOU used, not I. I am not opposed to Jews, rather I have a profound respect for them. I believe that Jews should be honored for all the good that they have done on this planet for humanity (although Muslims too contributed A LOT). But, I am not Kosher with Zionists. IMO, Zionists and Fundamentalist/Terrorist Muslims as well as Terrorist/Militant Christians and to some extent, the Evangelical Christians are the same. Why Evangelical Christians, because they absolutely do not know what Christianity is nor do they know what the Bible says, nor do they know how to interpret its meaning nor do they have an understanding of their teachings and therefore throw full support to the Zionists by blindly following the man behind the podium without questioning him.
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In the 70's muslims and christians conversed freely, did not hate each other, and could come to truth together. After Iran, the shah, the hostages, the ayatolla, and all the bumper sticker "Hey Iran with mickey mouse giving the finger" and americans beginning a propaganda war against muslims the relationship started to fall. Then you had desert storm where americans were cheering the bombs that killed thousands of innocent people like they were at a 4th of july fireworks show. Imagine how they must have felt to be looking over their dead family members and watching americans cheer on TV in patriotic insanity. That made many dedicated for vengence and righteously so. There is never a justification to kill just one innocent person EVER, let alone.... Then 911 comes and americans are like "whatever did we do that people would hate us so much to do that?" Then instead of seeing truth they rush off to do many times more. Killing thousand of times more innocent families and this time also commiting taunting and disgusting acts against innocent people. Gee, why would anyone be mad at us?? Yeh let's just swing our fists and defend in every direction, never mind our own sanity, constitution or rights, since we are attacked by "crazy people" for no reason, yeh right!
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