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Old 07-03-2009, 10:05 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I feel the love, Dope.
Still praying for you, by the way.

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Old 07-03-2009, 10:25 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I live here and am quite aware of the dispute.
The rep was a local gentleman who was (like Dope) an atheist, who didn't want religious symbology around him. He used the ACLU to further his goals and went after the towns display. Big mistake on his part. It backfired on him, and a mass quantity of crosses were installed in our town. The town took the cross down before a court battle ensued, and the star went up...Take that!!
The legality of a cross or 10 commandments or other things is in dispute with many battles taking place around this country. This town didn't have the funds to fight the ACLU. I will leave it up to others to decide constitutionality, as it is lost and won in certain court battles. Not as cut and dried as you would lead us to believe, otherwise why does the ACLU lose on occasion when finances are available to combat them?

Bottom line is we have hundreds of Crosses lit nearly year around now and a Star on the water tower. The star may or may not be considered a religious icon. I will look at the star as a religious symbol, and you can look at it as a star.
So to me it is a victory. It aroused a resurgence.

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The Spirit is waiting to talk to ya Dope.

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What kind of a star was it?
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Don't you think that Bush was enough? He overdosed on that
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I live here and am quite aware of the dispute.
The rep was a local gentleman who was (like Dope) an atheist, who didn't want religious symbology around him. He used the ACLU to further his goals and went after the towns display. Big mistake on his part. It backfired on him, and a mass quantity of crosses were installed in our town. The town took the cross down before a court battle ensued, and the star went up...Take that!!
The legality of a cross or 10 commandments or other things is in dispute with many battles taking place around this country. This town didn't have the funds to fight the ACLU. I will leave it up to others to decide constitutionality, as it is lost and won in certain court battles. Not as cut and dried as you would lead us to believe, otherwise why does the ACLU lose on occasion when finances are available to combat them?

Bottom line is we have hundreds of Crosses lit nearly year around now and a Star on the water tower. The star may or may not be considered a religious icon. I will look at the star as a religious symbol, and you can look at it as a star.
So to me it is a victory. It aroused a resurgence.

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That may well be, and you may have spanked the "local gentleman". You did not spank the ACLU, which had a different motivation entirely, one in perfect accord with your solution.
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:37 AM   #67 (permalink)
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The spirit just got poured into my glass, followed by some tonic, ice and lemon. It will be speaking to me shortly, make no mistake.
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The spirit just got poured into my glass, followed by some tonic, ice and lemon. It will be speaking to me shortly, make no mistake.
Can I get that in wine? with French stinky cheese and frog legs
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Can I get that in wine? with French stinky cheese and frog legs
Well for Wimbledon, it really has to be G&T for the chaps and Pimm's for the gals. Strawberries and cream for the sustenance. Cheese and wine just isn't tennis old boy.
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I got the concept, Jim.
It backfired on them in multiplicity if the intent was to remove religious symbols, but they won regarding a cross on town property, which is (questionably) unconstitutional.
We could argue the point on constitutionality and founding fathers beliefs, but I won't waste yours or my time on it.

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Not to be repetitive because I think that is fun, but you attribute some ulterior motive to the ACLU that is based on your initial, and apparently very deep and strong, emotional reaction to someone being critical of a Christian ornament or icon being displayed, and you are having a big problem distinguishing the difference between whether that is a private display or a government funded and sanctioned display. The ACLU would defend your right to display your favorite religious ornament or icon on your property, free of charge, if that right was being infringed by some government agency, or some other similarly powerful enough organization to have the action, should it be successful, be cited as precedent to deny other American citizens their right to display a religious ornament or icon on their property. It is a United States Constitutional/Bill of Rights principle, not a religious principle or anti-religious principle that motivates the ACLU.

So, the law of the land is behind the ACLU when they win such lawsuits. Not some anti-religious motivation and conspiracy. Their view of the law in each case is much clearer and simply logical than any of the torn-with-emotions bleating that has been raised.

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