And I want to be there to see it when you put on some brass balls big enough to march your arrogant ass into court demanding they take down and replace each and every one of the headstones in the Arlington National Cemetery because they have a cross on them. Your ACLU doesn't give one f^ck about civil liberties. All your organization cares about is how much trouble you guys can stir up to put a headline in the paper so you can get more donations from the loonies that give money to you guys.
There you go, being irrational again. You set up this ridiclous straw-man argument, because your arguments for the issue at hand are weak and stupid. A cemetery is not a public park. One would assume that each person buried there has a right to his personal religious ornaments, as much as a soldier sleeping in a barracks has a right to wear a star of david on a chain around his neck. I certainly don't see the ACLU marching into court over it. What we will march into court over is you religious fascists thinking you have a right to use public properties for your "Christian Nation" displays. You want a big concrete cross? Put it on your church property, and stop infringing on my rights to have a religion-neutral government.
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There you go, being irrational again. You set up this ridiclous straw-man argument, because your arguments for the issue at hand are weak and stupid. A cemetery is not a public park. One would assume that each person buried there has a right to his personal religious ornaments, as much as a soldier sleeping in a barracks has a right to wear a star of david on a chain around his neck. I certainly don't see the ACLU marching into court over it. What we will march into court over is you religious fascists thinking you have a right to use public properties for your "Christian Nation" displays. You want a big concrete cross? Put it on your church property, and stop infringing on my rights to have a religion-neutral government.
The RWNJ response to the "ACLU" in any context is like that of a raging bull to a red flag in a bullfighting ring. They are being manipulated, regularly, for practice by their handlers. One must just ignore this shit or your opinion of humans in general and Americans in specific, will suffer. Jim
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There you go, being irrational again. You set up this ridiclous straw-man argument, because your arguments for the issue at hand are weak and stupid. A cemetery is not a public park. One would assume that each person buried there has a right to his personal religious ornaments, as much as a soldier sleeping in a barracks has a right to wear a star of david on a chain around his neck. I certainly don't see the ACLU marching into court over it. What we will march into court over is you religious fascists thinking you have a right to use public properties for your "Christian Nation" displays. You want a big concrete cross? Put it on your church property, and stop infringing on my rights to have a religion-neutral government.
You truly are a DUMBASS! The Arlington National Cemetery IS A PUBLIC PARK, YOU MORON! It's under the direct oversight of the National Park Service and the U.S. Park Police patrol it! Look it up!
After biker posted a link to a snopes article about the headstones in Arlington cemetery, I realize what direction you seek to take this.
My point: The headstones in Arlington Cemetery have crosses on them. The cross is a CHRISTIAN symbol on a headstone displayed on PUBLIC property. So, since the ACLU seeks to go after a 75 year old war memorial displaying religious symbols on public property, why would you arrogant tools not go ahead and try for broke? After all, the only difference between the two is there's dead soldiers buried under the ones at Arlington.
As for your link, biker, I NEVER read or received an email about the ACLU going after the Arlington National Cemetery. My FIRST thought after seeing the War memorial story was that to be consistent, the ACLU would have to go after Arlington as well. Try as you might to disengage me with assumptions that I seen and believed a story about the ACLU going after Arlington markers, MY challenge still stands. I want all the chicken shit ACLU'ers to go after the headstones. I want to see the public tide turn more away from their favor and see those twats for what they are: TROUBLEMAKERS! The ACLU doesn't give one flying rats ass about civil liberties and if those guys had a hair on their ass, they'd try it.
And YOU, FTL, don't give one flying rats ass about civil liberties. You do what you do best and that is to cause trouble, That's all you're good for and that's all you've ever done. You should be the President of the United States of the Offended.
What I don't understand is.... Why must the many bow to the few? I thought in a true democratic republic the majority ruled. If you don't like the way we do it here... you are free to leave.
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The ACLU has played and will continue to play an important role in on-going debates as to how the Constitution relates to modern day life. I often disagree with their positions but find the debate stimulating and important.
As correctly noted, the ACLU has no power or authority – they convince judges/juries who have the authority. If the right disagrees with a given ACLU position take them on in court and quit whining about it.
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A lot more graves were added in the Arlington National cemetery in the last five years. Sadly, many would lynch the guy who would attempt to remove the crosses from those graves, but actually praise the scumbags who sent them to those graves. Crosses are symbols, human lives are not.
The ACLU has played and will continue to play an important role in on-going debates as to how the Constitution relates to modern day life. I often disagree with their positions but find the debate stimulating and important.
As correctly noted, the ACLU has no power or authority – they convince judges/juries who have the authority. If the right disagrees with a given ACLU position take them on in court and quit whining about it.
This was pointed out repeatedly by FTL. My question is why they go after some of the things they do. This example is one which harms no one, the guy who they are filing on behalf of doesn't even intend to visit the site. ONE guy complained and they choose to file? Really? Don't they have bigger fish to fry? Again, I think their going after this monument will only trun more people against them.
And why dos everybody automatically assume anyone who disagrees with an ACLU action is a right wing whacko? I'm far from being right wing and disagree with a lot of the crap the ACLU tries to pull off.
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