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Old 07-04-2009, 11:24 AM   #101 (permalink)
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^and your opinion is meaningless to me, as well as your lack of knowledge of who I am.
I won't stoop to your level and criticize you, wrong or not.

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Old 07-04-2009, 11:27 AM   #102 (permalink)
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He is a dissenter to religious things. Not to the constitution. You like to put words in peoples mouths.

got things to do above and beyond wast an afternoon on a computer.

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Old 07-04-2009, 11:39 AM   #103 (permalink)
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The last time I checked, the BOR guaranteed us freedom of religion, NOT freedom from religion.


It guarantees ME freedom from YOUR religion, and vice versa.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:31 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Not from where I sit. I thought the use of the word "motherfuckers" was intended to be disparaging. Meaning you disapproved of being faithful to the woman who gave birth to your kids. If it was not intended to be disparaging, or like the Christian minister in Colorado who was recorded for a documentary describing how Christians fuck their wives more than anyone, only to be discovered to be paying some guy for homosexual services while taking drugs, it was only a bit of braggadocio, well, sorry, my mistake.

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Jim, I think you missed the point. Motherfucker is not a Literal term but more of a offensive curse word used to indicate ill feelings toward a person or persons. I used the word Motherfucker to express my intense disdain for said group and the individuals contained within that group or members that make up said group.

How you took the meaning and railroaded it's message to corral the very group you have disdain for was only slightly clever.

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Old 07-04-2009, 12:57 PM   #105 (permalink)
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It guarantees ME freedom from YOUR religion, and vice versa.
Tell me where that guarantee is so I can read it. All I see is a prohibition to the government, forbidding them to establish a national religion and/or requiring the citizens of the country to 'worship this way or else'. The problem with YOUR interpretation is that you don't go back and read history and use it to explain WHY our founding fathers chose to include that in the Bill of Rights and WHY they so eloquently worded it.

Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:07 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Tell me where that guarantee is so I can read it. All I see is a prohibition to the government, forbidding them to establish a national religion and/or requiring the citizens of the country to 'worship this way or else'. The problem with YOUR interpretation is that you don't go back and read history and use it to explain WHY our founding fathers chose to include that in the Bill of Rights and WHY they so eloquently worded it.

Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Google ‘Incorporation Doctrine.’

First good non-Wiki result:

Incorporation (Bill of Rights legal definition of Incorporation (Bill of Rights. Incorporation (Bill of Rights synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.)
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:32 PM   #107 (permalink)
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...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Why does that not, as it allows you to exercise YOUR right, allow ME the right NOT to be affected by yours, just as you are expecting not to be affected by mine. My rights end where yours begin, and vice versa.
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Old 07-04-2009, 05:13 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Got me wrong, Jim.
And yes this country was founded basically christian, and by numbers basically is still to this day, by percentage. This does not mean others are not welcome to enjoy our freedoms and worship their own god, or lack thereof.
You are missing what we were and what we still are, predominantly.

I don't ask you to worship... I might try and encourage it, but you are able to do as you wish. That's America. I also don't ask you to follow my particular church beliefs, or demand it. That's what the British were advocating that we went against.

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Old 07-04-2009, 06:01 PM   #110 (permalink)
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I like the ACLU best when they step in to protect the Constitutional rights of right wing radio talk show hosts, but that's just me.
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