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The French are now officially more conservative than the Americans.
I'm not sure that I would consider this "conservative". It seems to me that this has to do with the rights of women, which is (supposedly) viewed as a "liberal" issue. It has amazed me on how quiet the "mainstream womens' movement" has been until very recently on this and other issues - like female castration, and lack of educational opportunities or even fundamental legal protections in...uhhh..."other"...countries (="tolerance for other cultures").

Actually, I have never understood why Americans have not liked the French. I've been there and you quickly realize that there are two Frances: Paris, and the entire rest of the country (which is roughly equivalent to the US "flyover country"). What would you think of the US if the only place you experienced was New York and you assumed that the New York Times was the voice of the American people? If you look through history, France has helped America out of jams as often as we have helped them out of jams. Their ideas about democracy are IMO much more similar to ours than British ideas are (you know, Britain STILL has NO CONSTITUTION or BILL OF RIGHTS).

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I'm not sure that I would consider this "conservative". It seems to me that this has to do with the rights of women, which is (supposedly) viewed as a "liberal" issue. It has amazed me on how quiet the "mainstream womens' movement" has been until very recently on this and other issues - like female castration, and lack of educational opportunities or even fundamental legal protections in...uhhh..."other"...countries (="tolerance for other cultures").

Actually, I have never understood why Americans have not liked the French. I've been there and you quickly realize that there are two Frances: Paris, and the entire rest of the country (which is roughly equivalent to the US "flyover country"). What would you think of the US if the only place you experienced was New York and you assumed that the New York Times was the voice of the American people? If you look through history, France has helped America out of jams as often as we have helped them out of jams. Their ideas about democracy are IMO much more similar to ours than British ideas are (you know, Britain STILL has NO CONSTITUTION or BILL OF RIGHTS).
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That being the case, the question might be asked:
Why have they come to the new land if all they want to do is make it like their old land?
It would seem to me that they left their old culture for a reason, the reason is likely to be some sort of change, how much of a change is there if they bring all of their "baggage" with them?

It’s likely that no one forced these immigrants to move to France, so if that’s the case you need to fit in, not try and change the French to suite you, no?


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The traditional dress of women in Bückeburg / Germany has 50 or so petticoats, worn at the same time.
It is said that most guys give up because of exhaustion after the 30th.
To remove a thousand veils to reach 'the garden of earthly delights' got to be a tough proposition.
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