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I don't doubt that Kerry, having been an especially priggish jr naval officer, was as aware of the intentional disrespect as was everybody else present.

Because the disrespect was not so grave as to invoke UCMJ does not mean that the CWO was exhibiting good order and discipline, proper military courtesy, or setting an example for his own subordinates. If I had been his superior I would have dressed him down in private, later.

We just cannot have the military, especially officers, treating elected officials with anything less than proper military courtesy.
I asked an ex JAG capitain and he knows of no code that you say is here. Please could you be more specific?
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I asked an ex JAG capitain and he knows of no code that you say is here. Please could you be more specific?
Is my second paragraph invisible? Damn!

Quote: Because the disrespect was not so grave as to invoke UCMJ does not mean that the CWO was exhibiting good order and discipline, proper military courtesy, or setting an example for his own subordinates. If I had been his superior I would have dressed him down in private, later.

The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and thatís what I intend to reverse.

~ Senator Barack H. Obama
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Either you didn't explain it very well to your ex-JAG friend or he's completely incompetent and is well qualified to be an ex-JAG.

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ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

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ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and thatís what I intend to reverse.

~ Senator Barack H. Obama
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Boxer is a complete @$$hole! Hopefully Devore will kick her ass out of the Senate. My God! How long do we have to put up with politicians like her, and DiFi. OBUMA etc...
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The General was showing respect by calling her Ma'am, military personnel always address their superiors as sir or ma'am. If Senator Bitch wanted to be adressed as Senator all she had to do was ask politely "please call me Senator". She didn't have to act like a bitch and go into the whole "I earned my title" bull shit. It's like the douche bag celebrities who use the old "do you know who I am?" line.
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The General was showing respect by calling her Ma'am, military personnel always address their superiors as sir or ma'am. If Senator Bitch wanted to be adressed as Senator all she had to do was ask politely "please call me Senator". She didn't have to act like a bitch and go into the whole "I earned my title" bull shit. It's like the douche bag celebrities who use the old "do you know who I am?" line.
I doubt it was an act.

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She is right to correct him. Period.
This could have been done politely in a note written to him and privately delivered after the hearing.
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Either you didn't explain it very well to your ex-JAG friend or he's completely incompetent and is well qualified to be an ex-JAG.

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ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

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ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
I read all your replies, I just quoted the most specific. The JAG guy was correct then as were you, but your tone implies other.

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BTW, isn't a female senator a senatoress?
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The self important arrogance in Washington flows from both sides of the aisle. It's not a left or right issue. I'm not sure this was a good example of that. As much as faux news tried to make it an issue, I just couldn't get that excited about it.

I so much more enjoyed that admin who dressed down that poor sod who called her Liz instead of Elizabeth. Check our Olbermann's vid on Politico. THAT was priceless.
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