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So let me get this straight.

* Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
* Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
* Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
* Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
* Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
* The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
* Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement (signed by Bill Clinton)

These were not reasons that were good enough to start the war in your mind? Sorry to hear that. NO, they were not enough reason to invade ANY sovereign nation. That is not our right.

I did take out the references to WMD's and Al Qaida just because we can't agree on those here in BWOT. Actually not only BWOT but most of the free world. And you did leave in one reference [bullet 5]

As for the UN weapons inspectors you say they were doing their jobs. How is that when they were continuously thrown out and forbidden to inspect certain areas? Yet oddly they seemed to have done it well enough to have provided an complete report that proved to be very accurate when we went in to search.

As for the immorality and illegality of this war please tell us all then why you are not lambasting Obama for continuing it? FTL refuses to answer that question and just resorts to name calling. Obama is unwinding it as safely and quickly as is possible. It's one of those "responsible" things to clean up a mess correctly, not haphazardly.

Why is it that the vast majority of Iraqi people were thankful when we ousted Saddam? The insurgents are for the most part, foreign fighters. The Iraqi civilians do not want to be in the middle of this and for that I am saddened. But to classify the US as murderers and killers of civilians is to rewrite the facts. Vast majority??? Reference? And the insurgents are both in house and foreign fighters [of which there were zero in country when we invaded.

As for murderers and killers of civilians, it is what it is. When you INVADE a country, that very negative reputation is part of the collateral damage.


Especially when you are not willing to criticize the current President for continuing the war. That means you are not basing your characterization of the war as illegal and immoral on principle, but on political demogoguery.
Not political demagoguery. Practical application of a exit strategy and unfortunate fact of life. We are in a mess, we have to extricate correctly. You would bitch and whine if we did not.

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You said "We did not attack the Iraqi people. So quit with the leftist blog crap." and on this post you address government buildings, infrastructure and civilian casualties and then say "No Parsing and I have never done the parsing thing". YES, you do and did parse. Just then. You said that WE did not attack the Iraqi people and then tried to parse down the folks that you want to list to make it look like we might have only blown up buildings and towers and tanks and shit. That is not what we did. We blew up their country. Lots of their country. By denying that, you are PARSING that from your declaration that "We did not the attack Iraqi people".

When you invade a country, ANY country, whether Germany through Poland in 1939 or Iraq into Kuwait in 1990 or Japan against the Philippines in 1941 or Russia by Germany in 1941 or the US against Iraq in 2003, it is an invasion against the PEOPLE of the country. To deny that is to be delusional in your justifications of the war.

Oh, and I do evidence really well.
But you don't do history well. You forgot Manuel Noriega which didn't seem to be much of an in convenience to the PEOPLE.

Remember the old canard: If any part of a statement is false, the whole thing is false. You wasted a whole paragraph.

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Never liked the stupid Bolton screech.

... and this important discussion continues.


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But you don't do history well. You forgot Manuel Noriega which didn't seem to be much of an in convenience to the PEOPLE.

Remember the old canard: If any part of a statement is false, the whole thing is false. You wasted a whole paragraph.
The statement wasn't false because I never said it was a complete listing of all invasions, just examples. You really should try a community college course in reading comprehension. Or did Colorado just build McVillages and forget to include education in the development plans?

But again, I guess you miss the point. But I have come to expect that.

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