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Islamist urges al Qaeda to open up to Obama's offer
Sat Jun 6, 2009 CAIRO, June 6 (Reuters)

A leader of an Islamist group that waged an insurgency in Egypt in the 1990s called on Saturday for al Qaeda and the Taliban to consider an opening offered by the U.S. president and call a halt to attacks on U.S. civilians.

Essam Derbala, a member of the leadership council of Al-Gama'a Al-Islamiya, or Islamic Group, made the appeal after President Barack Obama said in Cairo on Thursday he wanted a "new beginning" in ties between Washington and the Muslim world.

Islamist thinkers and groups in Egypt have long inspired Islamic movements around the world.

Washington's reputation plunged in the Muslim world under the Middle East polices of Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, that were seen by many as targeting Muslims.

"I call on the Taliban of Afghanistan and Pakistan and al Qaeda to look at this solution and put the American side to a real test of the extent of its sincerity in achieving peace with the Muslim world," Derbala told Reuters.

"I consider this a chance to reveal the truth about Barack Obama before the people," he said, adding these organisations should open up to talks with the United States and declare they have "no need to kill American civilians".

Al Qaeda's second-in-command is Ayman al-Zawahri, an Egyptian who urged his compatriots to reject "criminal" Obama shortly before the president delivered his Cairo speech.

Many Muslims who listened to Obama's address welcomed the change in tone from Washington but said they wanted to see more specifics about how he would heal long-running sores that include the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, a group that renounced violence decades ago, said the speech was mainly for public relations.

Al-Gama'a Al-Islamiya waged an insurrection in the 1990s that was crushed by the security forces and its members were thrown in prison, from where leadership figures such as Derbala renounced violence. Derbala was freed with many others in 2006.

The pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat reported in January, days after Obama was sworn into office, that Derbala called on al Qaeda to agree a four-month truce with the United States. (Reporting by Mohamed Abdellah; Writing by Edmund Blair; Editing by Janet Lawrence)

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"adding these organisations should open up to talks with the United States and declare they have "no need to kill American civilians"."

A snowballs chance in Hell. Should we hold our breath? Even if "they"declared it, exactly who are "they"? The extremists in the mountains? Or the everyday Muslim on the street? Who's in charge of this dog and pony show anyway?

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"adding these organisations should open up to talks with the United States and declare they have "no need to kill American civilians"."

A snowballs chance in Hell. Should we hold our breath? Even if "they"declared it, exactly who are "they"? The extremists in the mountains? Or the everyday Muslim on the street? Who's in charge of this dog and pony show anyway?

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Nobody is in charge, that's one attribute of the war that makes it so difficult. the other is the vast gulf of cultural understanding -- a two-way street.

IMO it looks like the Islamists are increasing their rate of fracture. It started to show some signs back in 2004. If more and more of these splinter groups argue among themselves it will be increasingly difficult for "the base" to enable surrogates.

Hope it works.

We can always continue killing them if it doesn't.

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this kind of thinking is regressive to the west.

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IMO it looks like the Islamists are increasing their rate of fracture.
they've always been fructured.. i actually feel opposite.. i think many more are united now then ever before. they may split hairs but overall, they are on the same page which BO is trying to turn.. it may work.. egypt has for a long time, been the center of islamic thought..



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Nobody is in charge, that's one attribute of the war that makes it so difficult. the other is the vast gulf of cultural understanding -- a two-way street.

IMO it looks like the Islamists are increasing their rate of fracture. It started to show some signs back in 2004. If more and more of these splinter groups argue among themselves it will be increasingly difficult for "the base" to enable surrogates.

Hope it works.

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Hmmm, I remember a time when certain individuals who shall remain anonymous, were quite unequivocal in their opinion that the perceptions of foreign populations regarding US activities or motives, were irrelevant to our national interests. Curious indeed
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My perception IS reality...thought everyone knew that by now
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Obama speech to Muslims "deceptive", Taliban says
Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:56am IST (Reuters)

The Taliban said on Saturday that U.S. President Barack Obama's speech to the Muslim world was full of "deceptive slogans" and did nothing to change relations between America and Muslims.

The speech, which Obama delivered at Cairo University on Thursday, "had nothing substantial in terms of content in order to reduce the dissonance that has reached its peak between Muslims and America", the Taliban leadership said in a message posted on Islamist Internet forums and translated by SITE Intelligence Group.

"His occupation and transgressing forces continue to kill, torture and arrest Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, trample upon their deserved rights with their feet, mercilessly kill them for defending their rights and throw them in the most horrible prisons in the world," the message added.

Obama's address, lasting almost an hour, was merely the "continuation of the previous deceptive slogans of America", the message said.

Violence in Afghanistan has surged to its highest levels since the 2001 U.S. invasion toppled the Taliban, which had harbored the al Qaeda network responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.

Washington also is worried about the stability of nuclear-armed Pakistan in face of a growing insurgency and has urged action against militants to help defeat al Qaeda and disrupt support for the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army launched an offensive against Taliban fighters and their allies in the Swat valley in the northwest of the country last month.

The message from the Taliban was its first reaction to Obama's speech, which has been widely scrutinised in the Muslim world.

Many Muslims who listened to Obama's address welcomed the change in tone from Washington but said they wanted to see more specifics about how he would heal long-running sores that include the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Egypt's opposition Muslim Brotherhood, a group that renounced violence decades ago, said the speech was mainly for public relations.

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