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^ My point. Greg seems to have them filed there by virtue of his narrow definition of god.

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got the point, but I define God narrowly as well. There are others that think god is in everything. They worship everything. That is not an atheistic mindset of nothing out there in charge. I know who I worship. So call it narrow minded if you will, but it is definitely not western. In fact the influx of christianity in China with nothing else to go from but the "Book" and little influence from the "west", and being that the "books" origin is from the "mid east" sorta blows a hole in your western mindset theory.
They are forming their own opinions and strangely they are the same as ours. Differing practices however.
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17 pages into this thread, and I cannot believe that nobody has touched on the most simple and honest reason that most Christians are Christians, must Muslims are Muslims, most Jews are Jews, most Hindus are Hindus, and most members of any religion are that religion.

It is because your parents were <insert religion here>.

It is as simple as that. You learn what you were taught at home from the earliest age. The vast majority of people have about as much choice about what religion they are as they do about what language they speak.
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Can't speak for others , but I had all of the say in my house growing up. My home had no christians in it. At age 13 I picked up on the concept from a friend, and it took of from there in reverse. Now there is not a single member of my family (except some youngins) who are NOT christians.
So it can work from bottom up as well.

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Really? That's the best you can do? I'm impressed (and grateful) that you did more than simply spew obscenities at me, but if you want to trade insults I'm certainly capable of that. But it wouldn't be the Christian thing to do.

Moreover, you're not following classic debate and argument, but rather heading down a tangent with a little ad hominem thrown in for good measure. That's okay, and I'll digress there with you for a bit, but you're not fooling anyone by trying to turn this into a "I, Qubes, am smarter than you" track simply by posting a snide insult with your sidetrack. (Well, you might be fooling some, but you're not fooling me.)

So, to briefly join your digression: Have you noticed that it is called the THEORY of evolution? It is a decent theory, and parts of it have been well-documented, but overall it has yet to be PROVEN. However, that doesn't alter the reality that all of the theory (including macro evolution) is taught in public schools is as FACT, not THEORY. The holes in the THEORY are not discussed or even mentioned, much less taught; and in fact if a teacher attempts to question the THEORY or to teach about any of the places the theory is weak or empty, they'll typically find themselves in hot water, even at the higher educational levels.

Again, your absolute rejection of anyone or anything to do with theism reveals your own blindness and ignorance, because it's not an all-or-nothing proposition as GS noted in his rebuttal. Or perhaps you were shooting for hyperbole?

Contrary to what you apparently believe, I don't want our public schools to teach creationism (or flat-earth perspectives). What would be nice to see is them teaching evolution as what it is, a THEORY, not as scientific fact. It would be nice if teachers were free to instruct children about all of the aspects of evolution, including the places scientists are unable to explain it, as well as the cutting edge science that is striving to plug some of those holes (like the large Hadron collider) instead of just glossing over things and teaching them as fact.

At some level that's just as misguided as telling an adolescent "that mommy and daddy love one another and then a baby grows in mommy's tummy" -- because there are actual FACTS that could be taught. Of course in the evolution context in public education, positive facts are taught and reinforced, and negative facts are ignored.
I have a son in elementary school. I would like to see you substantiate your claims regarding how evolution is taught as scientific fact.

If you're too ignorant or unfortunate to make it to college, where these topics are given more than the glancing blow they receive in public schools, then you may be under-served as it relates to the finer points of evolution. If it's important to your faith, it seems to me that one would attempt to get as educated as possible on the subject, since it's diametrically opposed and wholly incompatible with the book of Genesis.

All that said, to me, the real undercurrent of ignorance seems to be that there are a lot of people - yourself included, apparently - that take the written word as the absolute truth and final authority on all matters it contains. For example, I'm in the middle of reading a book called "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong that, so far, implies that nothing could be further from the truth. I'll summarize it when I've finished reading it.
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17 pages into this thread, and I cannot believe that nobody has touched on the most simple and honest reason that most Christians are Christians, must Muslims are Muslims, most Jews are Jews, most Hindus are Hindus, and most members of any religion are that religion.

It is because your parents were <insert religion here>.

It is as simple as that. You learn what you were taught at home from the earliest age. The vast majority of people have about as much choice about what religion they are as they do about what language they speak.
Again, this is why the brainwashing comment had me laughing out loud.
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got the point, but I define God narrowly as well. There are others that think god is in everything. They worship everything. That is not an atheistic mindset of nothing out there in charge. I know who I worship. So call it narrow minded if you will, but it is definitely not western. In fact the influx of christianity in China with nothing else to go from but the "Book" and little influence from the "west", and being that the "books" origin is from the "mid east" sorta blows a hole in your western mindset theory.
They are forming their own opinions and strangely they are the same as ours. Differing practices however.
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I hope you're not citing whatever goes on in China as some sort of proof that you're right and the rest of us are somehow mistaken.

Some people will follow anything, and switch courses on a dime. We call them morons, and the world seems to be full of them.
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got the point, but I define God narrowly as well. There are others that think god is in everything. They worship everything. That is not an atheistic mindset of nothing out there in charge. I know who I worship. So call it narrow minded if you will, but it is definitely not western. In fact the influx of christianity in China with nothing else to go from but the "Book" and little influence from the "west", and being that the "books" origin is from the "mid east" sorta blows a hole in your western mindset theory.
They are forming their own opinions and strangely they are the same as ours. Differing practices however.
Spirit guidance?

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Erm, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism along with myriad offshoots, are collectively referred to as Western religion, aka Abrahamic religion. No hole, no theory. Nomenclature. You really need to start understanding and speaking the language of reason, rather than that of faith. I'm sorry, but many of us do not speak faith.

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got the point, but I define God narrowly as well. There are others that think god is in everything. They worship everything. That is not an atheistic mindset of nothing out there in charge. I know who I worship. So call it narrow minded if you will, but it is definitely not western. In fact the influx of christianity in China with nothing else to go from but the "Book" and little influence from the "west", and being that the "books" origin is from the "mid east" sorta blows a hole in your western mindset theory.
They are forming their own opinions and strangely they are the same as ours. Differing practices however.
Spirit guidance?

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That actually addresses consequence rather than cause. The underpinning notion is that the concepts of 'universe' and 'god' are indistinguishable.

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