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So, GS, you are asserting that because a lot of folks believed there was a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, we should now proceed to hang Dick Cheney for what they believed, but for which there is no evidence that he promoted the idea.

I hope you realize that this idea of justice should make things very interesting in about four years for the Obama administration when all those starry-eyed voters realize that in voting for the savior, they really invited socialism into their homes and businesses.
Quote please. All I said was that Cheney finally admitted the truth. You know as well as as I that the Bush administration worked hard to establish a connection between 9-11 and Iraq. You also know why no one from the Bush administration admitted there was no connection between the two during that time.

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Quote please. All I said was that Cheney finally admitted the truth. You know as well as as I that the Bush administration worked hard to establish a connection between 9-11 and Iraq. You also know why no one from the Bush administration admitted there was no connection between the two during that time.
No they didn't. You for some reason, wanted them to. You said tha Cheney finally admitted the truth when he said that he never believed that Iraq was involved with 9/11.

You believed that he said there was without him saying so.

So who is the dope here?

Who's John Galt.

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Geezus, this isn't rocket science, Stu. The Bush administration engaged in a classic and very effective propaganda campaign to sell the American public on the idea of invading Iraq. I would argue that this campaign was so effective, it could be used as the backbone for university course material. If this simple fact has somehow eluded you, I've been assigning your intellect far too much credit.

Am I supposed to take your above post to mean that no one believed in a Saddam-9-11 connection? You know and I know that's untarnished bullsh*t. Plenty of folks did -- many that I knew personally, and despite TNT's ridiculous assertion, the vast majority of those were folks who supported the invasion. Tell me oh all-knowing one, how is it that all of those Bush supporters happened to land upon the very conclusion that would most lend support to the Bush-Cheney agenda?

Of course people believe that it was a vast GW/Cheney conspiricy. It in no way makes it true! How can you hang on to something that has no documented proof?
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No they didn't. You for some reason, wanted them to. You said tha Cheney finally admitted the truth when he said that he never believed that Iraq was involved with 9/11.

You believed that he said there was without him saying so.

So who is the dope here?
You are, you Koolaid drinking moron. Cheney continually asserted that there was a link between Saddam and 9-11. Are you denying that he did?

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You are, you Koolaid drinking moron. Cheney continually asserted that there was a link between Saddam and 9-11. Are you denying that he did?
Please quote for all to hear. I will gladly shut up if there is proof.
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Of course people believe that it was a vast GW/Cheney conspiricy. It in no way makes it true! How can you hang on to something that has no documented proof?
Read the CSM article I linked. It paints a fairly accurate picture, IMO. And frankly, there is plenty of documented evidence, though you wouldn't require it had you been paying attention at the time. The Bush administration worked diligently to tie Al Qaeda to Iraq. A link between Al Qaeda and Iraq is no different in most people's minds than a link between 9-11 (Al Qaeda) and Saddam (Iraq), and that is the impression they were fostering. Hell, you posted on this very forum that you felt the main reason we attacked Iraq was revenge for 9-11, and to a certain extent I agree with you. If that isn't suggesting a link, I don't know what is. Was the Bush team careful about the words and expressions they used in creating this illusion? Absolutely. I can only recall a single instance in which a high ranking member of the Bush administration actually said that we were attacked by Saddam on 9-11, and not too surprisingly, that was GW Bush himself.

All anyone from the Bush administration had to do to dispel the myth they were creating was to say the words that Cheney finally said yesterday. So why wait until now?

I know why. And so do you.

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Hayden had confirmed that the Bush administration only waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zabaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashirit for one minute each. I told Franks that I didn’t believe that. Sure enough, one of the newly released torture memos reveals that Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times and Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times. One of Stephen Bradbury’s 2005 memos asserted that “enhanced techniques” on Zubaydah yielded the identification of Mohammed and an alleged radioactive bomb plot by Jose Padilla. But FBI supervisory special agent Ali Soufan, who interrogated Zubaydah from March to June 2002, wrote in the New York Times that Zubaydah produced that information under traditional interrogation methods, before the harsh techniques were ever used.



Why, then, the relentless waterboarding of these two men? It turns out that high Bush officials put heavy pressure on Pentagon interrogators to get Mohammed and Zubaydah to reveal a link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 hijackers, in order to justify Bush’s illegal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq in 2003. That link was never established.



President Obama released the four memos in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU.

Torture Used to Link Saddam with 9/11
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President Bush yesterday defended his assertions that there was a relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda, putting him at odds with this week's finding of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission.
"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting. As evidence, he cited Iraqi intelligence officers' meeting with bin Laden in Sudan. "There's numerous contacts between the two," Bush said.
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Vice President Cheney, in an interview yesterday with CNBC's "Capital Report," said "the press has been irresponsible" in reporting on the commission's findings, sometimes for "malicious" reasons. Referring to a New York Times front-page headline, "Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie," he said: "What the New York Times did today was outrageous." Cheney added: "The fact of the matter is, the evidence is overwhelming. The press is, with all due respect, and there are exceptions, oftentimes lazy, oftentimes simply reports what somebody else in the press said without doing their homework."
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Bush, in 2003, said "the battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001."
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Bush last year called Hussein "an ally of al Qaeda." Just this Monday, Cheney said Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda."
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In January, Cheney said the "best source" of information on the subject was an article in the Weekly Standard, which reported: "Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda -- perhaps even for Mohamed Atta -- according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum."
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Bush, in a February 2003 radio address, said: "Iraq has sent bombmaking and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. This network runs a poison and explosive training camp in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad."
Bush Defends Assertions of Iraq-Al Qaeda Relationship (washingtonpost.com)
What kind of game was that?
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Libby questioned on forged letter linking Saddam to 9/11
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House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) issued letters of inquiry Wednesday to Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, regarding a forged letter linking Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks.
The Raw Story | Libby questioned on forged letter linking Saddam to 9/11
I am sure they were referring to the Habbush Forgery
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A link between Al Qaeda and Iraq is no different in most people's minds than a link between 9-11 (Al Qaeda) and Saddam (Iraq), and that is the impression they were fostering.
You have truth here. Many people cannot separate AQ from 9-11. It was proved that AQ fooled around probably at the behest of Saddam but that doesn't prove Saddam knew what they were up to. Maybe GW and his crew let everyone think there was a link just to get support. Hey, if the sheeple are dumb enough to buy it? I wouldn't put it past any career politician to let things get twisted for their personal benefit.

You and I are speaking on two different paths. You are focusing on the fools who are mentally attaching AQ9-11 to Saddam. I am talking about an intentional conspiracy by the Bush admin to link the two in no uncertain terms.
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