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The differences between the typical Arkansas military recruits and a Muslim named Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad are just as stark.
I am guessing you don't like the names Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Muhammad Ali either, just because they are "different".

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mcbear! You don't get it! The difference is a difference in perspective. In the first case the finger was being pointed at the likes of mlfun, and it made him uncomfortable. Now it is pointed away from him and he wants it to be a gun, and have the finger pull the trigger. It is late and you must be tired.

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It is late and you must be tired.
That is really quite classic 'night Bear
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I am guessing you don't like the names Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Muhammad Ali either, just because they are "different".
Here you go...reposted for your benefit.

Muhammad is hardly the first Muslim to attack our military , therefore there is definitely a pattern to this crime.

And realize that this IS the first Muslim terrorist incident in the US for this administration, a fact which is totally downplayed.

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Oh wait, are you saying we deserve this ?

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Muhammad, 23, has pleaded not guilty. He told police that he had "political and religious" motives for the shooting, according to court records.

"He was mad at the U.S. military because of what they had done to Muslims in the past," homicide detective Tommy Hudson said in a police report.

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Muhammad is being held on a state count of capital murder and 16 counts of engaging in a terrorist act by firing into an occupied building.

Obama 'saddened' by attack on recruiters - CNN.com

... and this important discussion continues.


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There is this sketch in some comedy the name of which I can't quite recall where some crime has been committed and the suspect is in the crowd.
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OH NEVER MIND
FORGET IT.

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Here you go...reposted for your benefit.

Muhammad is hardly the first Muslim to attack our military , therefore there is definitely a pattern to this crime.

And realize that this IS the first Muslim terrorist incident in the US for this administration, a fact which is totally downplayed.

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Oh wait, are you saying we deserve this ?
Was shooting an abortion doctor in church, by a religious fanatic with a similar explanation, not also a terrorist act? Would that make it the first terrorist act for this administration of any kind? A fanatic Christian terrorist act?


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Was shooting an abortion doctor in church, by a religious fanatic with a similar explanation, not also a terrorist act? Would that make it the first terrorist act for this administration of any kind? A fanatic Christian terrorist act?


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The abortion case was premeditated murder by one person targeting an individual.
Muhammad fired randomly into a building which is why he is charged with terrorism.

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don't confuse the concept of zealotry with fanaticism. They are two disparate concepts. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they do not.

Read my original post again. At no point did I suggest fanaticism by our guys. Zealotry in highly trained, highly motivated troops, just out of boot, on the other hand is something that is a fact of life.
I figured it came down to a terminological misunderstanding due to the misuse of the word, 'zealot." Historically, zealots were religious fanatics. If you Google zealot you'll see that even the derived word in current vernacular usage still refers to a person with single-minded fanatical focus.

That might describe the Nazi SS, but even our most elite special ops forces are not zealots, if the word is used properly.

When one talks to those kids out of boot they have a lot of unfocused excitement to get on with their newfound profession. Without a doubt they are mostly teenagers with the teens' enthusiasm for whatever shiny or loud object dances before their eyes. But they aren't pledging themselves to Dear Leader. Could you imagine them getting all misty-eyed over this or any other president? I don't think so.

Or from the older guys in special ops one learns that they are highly self-motivated, trained and focused with possession of a witches brew of tools and their uses. But they have no special focus for a cause other than their unit and mission.

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Muhammad is hardly the first Muslim to attack our military , therefore there is definitely a pattern to this crime.

And realize that this IS the first Muslim terrorist incident in the US for this administration, a fact which is totally downplayed.
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The abortion case was premeditated murder by one person targeting an individual.
Muhammad fired randomly into a building which is why he is charged with terrorism.
So, which is it, he randomly attacked the building or he targeted the soldiers [who were standing outside, not inside by the way]?

The parallels are very similar between the two incidents, and that is where it really gets hard for you guys to defend. There is no defense for supporting premeditated murder, whether it is the Doc in Kansas, the soldiers in Arkansas or civilians in Iraq with Shock and Awe.

I think the reason the "first incident" aspect is not getting attention is because it is one guy, one gun, one target. That sounds callous but it is not the "terrorist incident" that we have been trained for the past 7 years to be expecting. That does not make it any less tragic for the people involved. And frankly, I am surprised that there have not been more.

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Muslim killing = terrorist
Christian killing = murder
What's Jewish killing = Deliverance?
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