Just so I'm clear: personal attacks and hate speech are okay? So when CancerResearcher gets back from his wife-imposed break
I can attack him for no reason but his claims to follow Islam and that is really okay with you?
That's what you're defending in the name of free speech and open dialog?
What, you're worried that all the haters will leave?
I often enjoy dialog and debate, in fact I laughed out loud when I saw GS post about lost debates because 95% of the people on here have no idea what a debate or argument is. They go down an irrelvant tangent, ignoring the point (just as most of this thread has done) and if you challenge them on a point, you get personally attacked or told to go [blank] yourself. If other people were as clear-thinking and respectful of what actually constitutes debate and argument as Mr. Smith, for example, that would be a different issue entirely. But they aren't; nor should they be. We're all different, which is the good thing, but using that to excuse ridiculous ranting conduct is a bit screwy.
As to my beliefs, yes, I am a Christian for the 2 of you that didn't know. But that's irrelevant to the broader point. The reason I started the recent threads were because of the recent attacks in threads about Christianity. If it had come up in a different context we'd be having this discussion in a different context, but at least it wouldn't be about the double-standard that has shown its ugly head. People have gotten timeouts for going after just about everything and everyone else, but hey, it's open season on those professing that particular faith. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANY FAVORITISM, just equalized treatment
instead of the double standard. You want examples? Sheesh, all you have to do is search for recent threads and read through them. Again, I won't name names, but there is one member in particular who has it in for anything to do with Christianity and paints any Christian or Christian church with her/his negative, bigoted brush, and when staff then joins in the attack...well, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone is defending that sort of conduct. Instead of making presumptions or looking for some hidden motive, help me understand it, willya?
Nor do I want the removal of this double standard to go the other way. I don't want to be able to attack someone for their religion, sexual preference (or lack thereof!), race, creed, skin color, car choice, bad breath, etc. This should be a place where people can share their thoughts, opinions and beliefs openly and be subject to debate and argument -- but without fear of being attacked personally. Free speech is limited in lots of ways outside of this site; what are you so scared of by implementing that tiny limitation in this context? How does attacking someone personally and throwing bigoted, profane speech at them do anything to bolster an argument? Or is it that you don't want to somehow offend the haters, and the heck with what the rest of the members and potential members think?
Now...getting back to the broader issue...if you really don't think the nonsense that goes on in BWOT does not reflect on the rest of the forum, you really need to buy a vowel. You're simply living in a fog, or at least being stupidly wishful. That's like being on the Titanic (coincidentally the last survivor of which just passed away in the UK) and arguing that since you're in a separate stateroom, you'll be fine. Naturally, you're free to contend that it is separate and distinct, but if you're going to take that tack, then make
it separate and distinct, otherwise we're all winking and grinning because we know quite well that it is not. Anyone can drift in (or be appalled by the titles when clicking on "new posts") without regard to age, membership, premium or ... And you can't join BW without being part of OT, just like you can't board Titanic without being on board.
And...please forgive my obvious stupidity, but first and foremost, is this not this supposed to be a forum for automotive enthusiasts, particuarly those with a fondness for the Mercedes marque? How and why is it that OT has somehow risen to be more important than the rest of the site?