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There are still predators out there. I am going through the unfortunate episode of declaring my Mother incompetent to handle her own finances due to a Ponzi scheme expert that separated her from her savings. He joined her Church to prey upon elderly widows and has been quite successful. My Mother has declared me the Spawn of Satan.

That, my friends, is the evil side of religion that needs to be carefully excised.
That is truly frustrating. I am sorry you are going through that. Is he being targeted by a police investigation or does he need help in relieving himself of some of his financial burden?

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Everyone must remember that every use has a misuse. Churches are no more immune to this than any other organization. I know of churches around here that require you to report your W2 wages to them at the end of every tax year so they can 'determine' what they deem 'fair and proper' contribution to their coffers. If you don't, they WILL kick you out. Some church, eh? Is it any wonder WHY Jesus chose Judas to be the money handler?

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The verses in Malachi speak of the tithe law, but understand again, as Christians we are not under law, but instead New testament teaching of grace. Always the OT law is a good guideline. Churches would like to confuse us to believe we are under the OT law since it benefits them. Not so (imho),and I won't go into what I give, but to say it is more than I feel led to give, and that is the key. It is what you feel led to give by the Spirit, with the law as a guideline, and you may want to add above and beyond that (called offerings).
Now, when it comes to "where" the tithe should go, that should be for Gods work, wether it is a church or another entity. Again, it is a Spirit leading. The church would have you believe they have exclusivity to it, as well as a determined amount. Not So!

I am sure others (and especially the church) may differ here, and that is fine.

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I understand the need for a constant cash flow for a church. As pointed out before they have expenses like any other business. But it is one of the few businesses that inserts guilt into the process so completely and heavy handedly. I know elderly folks who have had elders work to get their checks signed over or a convenient monthly withdrawal from their account, many times with a person who has lost a spouse and finds the church "just wanting to help".

On the other hand, when I work with Habitat, many of us are not with the churches that usually key the builds. If, however we know the churches to be in need of something to further their missions, they have been helped.

A girl who I went to school with from grade 1 on is a tent revival evangelist. Her father and mine were both butchers. She does really good stuff for the community and lives a truly Christ like life, giving most all her money to the poor and those in real need. When her tent was burned, it took two days for me to find her another one, load it on a trailer and get it to her.

She and I have an awkward relationship.

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So like im new to the church and i was at bible studies when we were discussing tithing. I asked what tithing was and when they told me u HAVE to give 10% of ur wage to the church i was like WTF...my immediate thought was 'is this a scam?'...

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Um, Yeah McBear.
Awkward?
You have a eastern philosophy. Goes against everything she stands for.
I can see friendly, but still awkward.

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The verses in Malachi speak of the tithe law, but understand again, as Christians we are not under law, but instead New testament teaching of grace....
That' ain't what Jesus said. That is what Saint Paul said. Who you gonna go with, Jesus or Jesus' johnny-come-lately promoter?

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You better be more specific.

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You better be more specific.

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"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20 RSV)

Modern Christians read Matthew's text in one sense -- that they know God's Law and it ain't everything that is in the Torah, just the bits they like.

Clearly there's another way to read the passage that is less amenable to gentile practices then and now. If you look over the entirety of Jesus life, he was pretty scrupulous in keeping the practices as they were understood in that day and he argued interpretation using the Torah, not some outside agency. Even his fulfillment of prophecy appeals to the Torah at every turn. Thus, Jesus NEVER abandoned the Law & the Prophets. he fulfilled them.

Jesus also admonished his followers to follow the Torah in every instance -- asking them if they performed their ritual duties and such. Thus, he expected his followers to be like him, a practicing Jew who obeyed the Law & the Prophets.

In the epistles, Peter (a little) and Paul (the most) argued for a divergence from Judaic practices, even arguing that it wasn't necessary to be a Jew, just a Christian. I do not believe Jesus ever said that. If he meant to break so cleanly with Judaism, why did he not? Fear? I don't think arguing that Jesus feared anything is going to be a fruitful path of argument.


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