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Then how come my 21 yr old keeps moving back into the house?
Get rid of him, if it is a him. Offer him a two bedroom guest house in Santa Fe. Send pic first.
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To more succinctly inform Bear's post on this question, Merriam-Webster cites this term - deism - as being created in 1682.
a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe
So basically, all the good stuff from Christianity without any of the other dogmatic Biblical bullshit to get in the way.
Well this is in line with my understanding of deism. It would seem quite odd that so called deist would ever give thanks to or ask blessings from a Creator that they did not believe held any responsibilty for or would reciprocate.
Again, sounds like some of them had faith, which is in conflict with deism.
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To more succinctly inform Bear's post on this question, Merriam-Webster cites this term - deism - as being created in 1682.
a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe
So basically, all the good stuff from Christianity without any of the other dogmatic Biblical bullshit to get in the way.
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You seem to be a well read individual. Ever read anything in the bible in its full context? Or has you opinion come from interactions with nut jobs that call themselves Christians? Of course I would have to agree that there are many people that call themselves Christians and think they are above everyone else (which we all know is BS).
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Well this is in line with my understanding of deism. It would seem quite odd that so called deist would ever give thanks to or ask blessings from a Creator that they did not believe held any responsibilty for or would reciprocate.
Again, sounds like some of them had faith, which is in conflict with deism.
Some of the language had to do with the phrasing of the day, much like now, every political speech ends with a traditional " and God bless the United States of America". It is part of the phrasing that we use. I know folks who are what I would call proactive atheists yet they will use "god bless" when somebody sneezes. The verbiage is just in the vernacular.

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That actually sounds like the ramblings of one person, who seems to be appealing to the President to include prayer every morning where there had been none, indicating plainly that he was in the minority. Your inability to comprehend the written word is consistent with the trademark brain defects present in the religious right.




Actually, re-writing history is exactly what you were doing. The fact that these quotes of yours remain unattributed is not helping your cause at all. That could have been anyone, and I am actually curious as to who that was and what the response might have been.



Then stop trying to cast the founding fathers as anything but secular-minded.

Was this not in one of you 49 books. This was the statement of Mr. Benjamin Franklin which was seconded by Roger Sherman.

Before you go casting your insults of ones understanding(or intelligence) or information that is being offer, it would be to your benefit to have at least read the same information from a credible source.

Failure to do so will paint you as the very type of ignorant person you seem to despise.

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I wasn't limiting the observation to simians and hominids, but to mammals more broadly.

That said, even among simians/hominids, the bonds of blood relation are powerful. Mothers care for their young. Fathers care for their spouses. They are not indifferent to threats. In fact, they exhibit what might be called premeditation as it pertains to aggression in the form of preventative or retaliatory attacks.

In any event, social or otherwise, it is natural for lifeforms to operate in groups. Strength in numbers. The pill did not suddenly obviate them.

If anything, they are unique in that they seem to more easily accept and endure long-term relationships with non-blood relatives.

Ahhh the voice of reaon prevails. We come full circle to the root of the argument for the opposition of same sex mariage. NATURE. The natural cycle of life, which is in direct conflict with the very concept of homosexuality. Whether you have a religious world view, secular world view believe in creation or evolution, when you consider the design of the human body and the natural flow of life, it nets the same result. Male and female, anything else is unnatural.
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Some of the language had to do with the phrasing of the day, much like now, every political speech ends with a traditional " and God bless the United States of America". It is part of the phrasing that we use. I know folks who are what I would call proactive atheists yet they will use "god bless" when somebody sneezes. The verbiage is just in the vernacular.
So if we consider the verbage in their full context of the discussions the debates which shaped the Constitution as just the vernacular of the day, how could the result of such debates (the Constitution) be considred valid or credible at all. Today they would be just another sound bite.
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Wrong. Dead wrong. The pretty picture you've painted in your mind is in direct conflict with the most basic ethological studies (I'll discount other behavioral observations, since captivity generally lends itself to unnaturally high levels of deviant behavior). Many mammalian adolescent males and even some adults, show only a mild preference for females over males, others prefer males, while still others demonstrate no preference at all. Many young bovine bulls for example, go through periods in which they are quite likely to mount nearly anything that moves, gender be damned. The castigation and condemnation of hominid homosexual behavior is entirely subjective.

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Ahhh the voice of reaon prevails. We come full circle to the root of the argument for the opposition of same sex mariage. NATURE. The natural cycle of life, which is in direct conflict with the very concept of homosexuality. Whether you have a religious world view, secular world view believe in creation or evolution, when you consider the design of the human body and the natural flow of life, it nets the same result. Male and female, anything else is unnatural.
I would pay a 300lb Sumo wrestler to ass rape you on X Tube. I just thought you should take that into consideration.
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Ahhh the voice of reaon prevails. We come full circle to the root of the argument for the opposition of same sex mariage. NATURE. The natural cycle of life, which is in direct conflict with the very concept of homosexuality. Whether you have a religious world view, secular world view believe in creation or evolution, when you consider the design of the human body and the natural flow of life, it nets the same result. Male and female, anything else is unnatural.
Nope, only reproduction is different, everything else can be the same. And since many heterosexuals don't reproduce either, that nullifies the requirement.

But the who discussion boils down to one thing. Contract between two people. Nothing more. Equal rights for two individuals who wish to be contractually bound, not in the religious sense or the "nature" sense but in the government defined contractual sense. With all of the rights and privileges for which the pay taxes to have protected.

Religion doesn't count unless you want to include ALL religions in government. And that is a can of worms the Christian community doesn't want to open.

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