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back when I was in the USN (over 40 years ago) the ship I was on was very secular. We had a chaplain (Episcopal) but there was almost no overt religious expression.

A year or so ago I watched the (dated) series on PBS about life on a carrier. I was astonished at how much more religiously observant they were on the carrier in the early part of this century vs the Vietnam era.

OTOH, I recognize that the captain's influence is overwhelming so I don't know whether that level of religiosity is widespread or not. Perhaps some younger veteran can offer an opinion.

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When I served (1995 to the present Inactive Reserves Marine Corps) there has always been a level of spritiuality. There have always been religious services onboard ship whenever I have been aboard (Gator Navy and Carriers). It has not been "in Your face" but then again, when the 1MC goes off in the berthing spaces some folks think that making the anouncement is in your face.

We did have some Bible study groups when I was deployed and we always just passed that word of mouth or via e-mail. We had a CO that was particularly proud of his pedantic nature and would not let us use the the work computers to pass information on about study meets or anything non-job related.

I think that the nature of the majority of Military personnel is to be somewhat religious or spiritual. I have noticed that the closer to the Fighting position the more spiritual a person becomes, generally. That whole "There are no atheists in foxholes" thing.

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That whole "There are no atheists in foxholes" thing.

- Is a myth:

Atheism & Foxholes: There Are No Atheists in Foxholes; Danger Causes Atheists to Cry Out to God, Find Jesus

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Seneca
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Well I'm glad that makes you feel better. Now go get in a foxhole.

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So then please tell us all why the military differentiates between Proselytizing and Evangelizing?

Why would a supposedly knowledgeable ex-military man have to ask such a thing?
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Well I'm glad that makes you feel better. Now go get in a foxhole.
Makes me feel better?

My interest is that the likes of you don't get to spread your religious bullshit and lies unchecked.

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Makes me feel better?

My interest is that the likes of you don't get to spread your religious bullshit and lies unchecked.
Are you this vocal against other religions? Or are you just an intolerant bigot against Christians?

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The General Order 1B prohibits proselytizing but it does not prohibit the evangelizing on off duty hours or the sharing of personal private gifts. That is from a JAG officer

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A pencil or a notebook, sometimes even a loaf of bread, will be a far better idea for a gift.
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A pencil or a notebook, sometimes even a loaf of bread, will be a far better idea for a gift.
Well remind me to make sure that I don't expect much from you in terms of a gift during the holidays here in the states.

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Agree.
When you swear in, you are considered military property. You are on duty 24/7, but you may have free time. You are also under a different legal system than civilians.
That is explained and stressed to recruits.
If you want to be an evangelist, and a missionary to foreign lands, pick another career path. This doesn't preclude interaction with others in the ranks, however, but it does in specific locations.

Understand I am of christian ilk and support evangelism, but there is a time and a place. That is in Gods time, by the way, and he doesn't condone breaking laws, thus not the time. Maybe in Europe or other lands where 'no' general order is in place.

Still disagree on the taking of personal items, McBear. And I am sure it is specific to each situation.

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Ahhh yes, just 'guidelines', that's right 'guidelines'....
Just like the 10 commandments.
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