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I can't imagine that Senator OCD would get the dates and places wrong so I'm guessing it was CIA that has it wrong. I don't believe CIA ever visits Congress (at least since Charlie Wilson) without 2 briefers and a minder. If it's like what I do, everybody involved writes a trip report and turns it in. If it comes to subpoenas, they'll probably haul out trip logs and trip reports and they'll find the usual discrepancies among names, dates, places and times. Even though everybody gets cautioned for accuracy, most people give it the "Oops, I forgot to turn in a trip report from last pay period. What day was that? Ws it when Junior busted his lip at baseball practice? Yeah, that's it...".

IOW, I doubt it's intentional CIA shenanigans. That's a long-term and short-term loser -- to screw with any member of congress, especially the Speaker. Especially when the Speaker is under pressure and when reauthorizations are coming up.

I'll bet Mr Penetta grabbed a bunch of boys by the ear and took them for a stern lecture in the proverbial woodshed. Then he tasked an internal security squirrel to find all the nuts. Look for corrective shoes to drop next week.


PS If this builds enough and has enough lose ends that everybody is unhappy and everybody is screaming, there will be full-blown hearings and we will all get to sniff the undies to find the dirty pair.
That pretty much sums it up, though I have no problem with CIA trying to pad the actual number of meetings where they briefed.


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Yet another facet of working within the secrecy laws is this: No level of classification protects an individual against law. Put another way, lawbreakers cannot hide under cover of classified work. So if one conducts an action that one knows is illegal, one is in legal jeopardy. Also, if one sees illegal activity conducted under cover of classified work, one is legally obliged to report it. This is analogous to UCMJ rules governing soldiers' behavior in battle. One cannot expect, "I was following orders" or "it was none of my business" to give one legal cover.

There are all kinds of "if, ands, or buts", but an couple of excellent examples of the attempt to hide illegal activity under cover of classified work was the Iran-Contra Affair. Didn't work. Also the aforementioned Rep Charlie Wilson, in which it in fact, did work.

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