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Obama having unintended effect on abortion issue?

Probably not, pundits are about as unreliable as polls.

Majority of Americans ‘pro-life,’ poll says
For first time in 15 years of Gallup polling, ‘pro-choice’ is overtaken
May 15, 2009

NEW YORK - The Gallup Poll reported Friday that 51 percent of Americans now call themselves "pro-life" rather than "pro-choice" on the issue of abortion, the first time a majority gave that answer in the 15 years that Gallup has asked the question.

The findings, obtained in an annual survey on values and beliefs conducted May 7-10, marked a significant shift from a year ago. A year ago, 50 percent said they were pro-choice and 44 percent pro-life — in the new poll, 42 percent said they were pro-choice.

The new survey showed that Americans remained deeply divided on the legality of abortion — with 23 percent saying it should be illegal in all circumstances, 22 percent saying it should be legal under any circumstances, and 53 percent saying it should be legal only under certain circumstances.

The findings echoed a recent national survey by the Pew Research Center, which reported a sharp decline since last August in those saying abortion should be legal in all or most cases — from 54 percent to 46 percent.

Taken together, the two polls have elated anti-abortion activists, who had been stung by the November election results that placed President Barack Obama and other abortion-rights supporters in power in Washington.

Obama factor?
"Ironically, Obama's radical abortion policies and nominees may have helped make America more pro-life," said Wendy Wright, president of the conservative advocacy group Concerned Women for America.

The Rev. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said the poll findings demonstrate that the anti-abortion cause "is a vibrant, growing, youthful movement."

"We are winning the battle for hearts and minds in our culture on the life issue," he said.

The president of a leading abortion-rights group, Nancy Keenan of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said the Gallup findings "do not square with the voting patterns in the last two elections cycles."

"It would be a mistake for anti-choice groups to interpret this one poll as a signal that Americans want even more interference from politicians in their personal, private decisions, including a woman's right to choose safe, legal abortion," Keenan said.

Another abortion-rights leader, Planned Parenthood Federation of America president Cecile Richards, questioned the terminology in the Gallup questions.

"The terms pro-choice and pro-life no longer define the parameters of the debate, witnessed by the fact that in the Gallup Poll, a majority of people say they are both pro-life and that abortion should be legal," Richards said.

She added that most Americans share Obama's stated goal of reducing the number of unintended pregnancies.

Planned Parenthood also noted that another recent national survey, a CNN/Opinion Research Corp., poll in April, reported 49 percent of respondents identifying as pro-choice and 45 percent as pro-life.

Across religious affiliations
The Gallup poll's release came just ahead of Obama's scheduled commencement speech Sunday at the University of Notre Dame, where he also is to receive an honorary degree. Those plans by the Roman Catholic university have sparked a wave of protests by anti-abortion activists, who contend Notre Dame should not honor a such a prominent supporter of abortion rights.

Gallup said its new poll showed an increase in the pro-life position across Christian religious affiliations, including an eight-point gain among Protestants and a seven-point gain among Catholics. It also reported a 10-point shift toward the pro-life category among Republicans but said there was no significant change among Democrats.

In the new poll, men identify as pro-life, 54 percent to 39 percent, while women also tilt pro-life 49 percent to 44 percent. A year ago, Gallup found more women calling themselves pro-choice than pro-life, by 50 percent to 43 percent, while men were more closely divided: 49 percent pro-choice, 46 percent pro-life.

"It is possible that, through his abortion policies, Obama has pushed the public's understanding of what it means to be 'pro-choice' slightly to the left, politically," according to the Gallup analysis. "While Democrats may support that, as they generally support everything Obama is doing as president, it may be driving others in the opposite direction."

The Gallup survey was based on telephone interviews with 1,015 adults nationwide. Its margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Is it really the 1st time?

If so I believe that people with even a drop of deceincy are looking around at scum like Pelosi for instance and are starting to see them for the vile piles of shit that they are and are becoming replused.
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"The terms pro-choice and pro-life no longer define the parameters of the debate, witnessed by the fact that in the Gallup Poll, a majority of people say they are both pro-life and that abortion should be legal,"
Most interesting thought in the article.

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Is it really the 1st time?

If so I believe that people with even a drop of deceincy are looking around at scum like Pelosi for instance and are starting to see them for the vile piles of shit that they are and are becoming replused.
And you somehow believe that criterion crafts someone's prochoice/prolife philosophy?

Interesting.

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And you somehow believe that criterion crafts someone's prochoice/prolife philosophy?

Interesting.

It's a possibility McB !

After all...... does anyone aspire to be a junkie if they first see a junkie draw back a slug of black blood from a blown out vein?

Do you really want to take on the lifestyle of a wino if you see them sleeping in their own vomit and curled up in a puddle of their own piss and shit?

I think that's the same light that many people are now seeing Pelosi, Reid, Obama and those who think just like them!
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It's a possibility McB !

After all...... does anyone aspire to be a junkie if they first see a junkie draw back a slug of black blood from a blown out vein?

Do you really want to take on the lifestyle of a wino if you see them sleeping in their own vomit and curled up in a puddle of their own piss and shit?

I think that's the same light that many people are now seeing Pelosi, Reid, Obama and those who think just like them!
That's just funny.

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That's just funny.
..And it may also be true.

Eventually those who don't live by a code of honor will be found out and bannished.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama have no honor and have lied their way to where they are today.

...and more and more people are now seeing it!
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..And it may also be true.

Eventually those who don't live by a code of honor will be found out and bannished.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama have no honor and have lied their way to where they are today.

...and more and more people are now seeing it!
I am interested to know if you felt this way about Bush and Cheney and Rumsfield and Gonzalez? If you are going to require folks to stand to a specific code of honor, be consistent.

Pelosi has some hard questions to answer. Reid and Obama are, from what most can see doing their work. You don't like it because it is not NeoCon philosophy but your guys lost so you have to get used to another philosophy for a while. Get a legitimate candidate in 2012 and see what happens. With all the crap Obama has to shovel through to clean up the Bush mess, I would bet a good NeoCon would stand a pretty good chance.

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..And it may also be true.

Eventually those who don't live by a code of honor will be found out and bannished.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama have no honor and have lied their way to where they are today.

...and more and more people are now seeing it!

Glenn Beck, is that you?
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