God indeed knows who will accept or reject. BUT we still have a free will, and we ultimately decide the worth of choosing his way. Predestination if you will.
Again, you're making God out to seem like some kind of penny-ante mob guy running a protection racket. "You can dooo waatchoo waaant, buddIgoddasay, idda be a SHAME if somthin BAD happened to youse on account ov da fact dat you didnn do what wee TOOOLT you."
Originally Posted by aardvark
TNT, you can lead a horse to water, but....
There are a lot of preconceptions of what christians are. Mostly wrong and quite intolerant, and yet we are claimed to be the same. I always see more ridicule coming from non-christians. Christians know the standards they should meet and some strive for it. Others know but don't strive hard enough. We understand the shortfalls, and are tolerant but not happy with them. The non christian will rub anything they can in your face and say "See!", or "Gotcha!" We deal with it in love and move on.
Actually, we're just sick of a bunch of mindless idiotic hypocrites trying to tell the rest of us how to live by way of influencing the political processes in this country. If the religious PAC's / Christian Coalition go away tomorrow, you'll never hear another word from us.
Originally Posted by aardvark
And TNT, your explanation of original sin from Adam/Eve is spot on, and yet others don't put 2+2 together. Q keeps bringing up this Elizebeth as an example of God not stepping in but God didn't do the evil. The concept doesn't sink in.
Answer me this - you have custody over an adult who is perfectly normal in every way but one; when in your presence, he reveals his every thought - even if you don't ask, and even if you don't respond. You are with this person 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, no exceptions, but he cannot hear you. One day, you hear him say "I'm going to kill my wife and children. I'm going to take the gun in my closet, load it up with ammunition, and shoot all of them in their sleep." He says it over and over for weeks. You watch him clean his gun, unable to stop him. You tell no one. You ride along as he goes to the gun store to buy ammunition. You watch him drink a bottle of alcohol one night, announce "today is the day", grab his gun, and sit at the end of his child's bed for over an hour. You do nothing, telling no one, calling no one, rousing no one. He finally says "This is it", and shoots his child dead. He sees his wife awake, and shoots her dead as well, then proceeds to shoot his newborn dead as well.
He surrenders to police, and neighbors & family reveal to them during the investigation that you're always with him and while he cannot hear you, you hear everything he says. They question you, and you tell them that you had full knowledge in advance that he would do what he just did for weeks.
Do you think they'll say "Well, I guess it was free will" and let you go? Do you think the jury would be fair in sending you to jail for life for abetting the atrocities this man committed with your full knowledge? Do you think there is anything you could tell them that would prevent them, or that SHOULD prevent them, from putting you away for life?
Of course not. You're just as culpable as the crime's perpetrator, BECAUSE you had the ability to do something to stop it and didn't.
Here's the point. If you knowingly allow evil to be done, you're as guilty as the man who does it. That's called justice. If God is all knowing and continues to allow evil to be done to innocent people, he is unjust. End of story.