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US Afghanistan commander sacked

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US Afghanistan commander sacked

Thousands of extra US troops are to be sent to Afghanistan [AFP]

The US has replaced the commander of its forces in Afghanistan, David McKiernan, as it continues to send more troops to combat Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters.

Army Lieutenant-General Stanley McChrystal, a former commander of special operations forces, has been recommended as his replacement, Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, said on Monday.

"This is the right time to make the change," Gates said. "Our mission there requires new thinking and new approaches from our military leaders."

The US is sending around 21,000 extra troops to Afghanistan as part of the White House's plans to confront the growing power of the Taliban in the region.

"Today we have a new policy set by our new president. We have a new strategy, a new mission, and a new ambassador. I believe that new military leadership also is
needed."

McKiernan arrived in Afghanistan about a year ago and had been asking for extra troops as the Taliban campaign intensified.

New strategic plan

McChrystal is currently the director of the joint staff, a top military position. He comes from the warfare branch of the military rather than the conventional army, which marks a departure from previous appointments and recognises the complexity of the task in Afghanistan.

Taliban fighters have taken control in parts
of Afghanistan [EPA]
He has led special operations forces, including "counter-insurgency", most prominently in Iraq from 2003 to 2008.

The replacement comes as top US officials, including General David Petraeus, who oversees military strategy for the region, implements Obama's new strategic plan for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

McKiernan played a crucial role in the current troop increase that is expected
to more than double the number of US soldiers in Afghanistan to 68,000 by the end of the year.

He had asked for an additional 10,000 troops in 2010, a proposal that appeared to meet resistance from Gates, who expressed reluctance to boost troops beyond the 68,000.

'Too conventional'

Al Jazeera's James Bays, who has reported regularly from Afghanistan said McKiernan's replacement was a very important development.

"He commands all the American and Nato troops. He has been in effect fired from his job," he said.

"When McKiernan took up his job, he wanted more troops. He has been demanding them since. Now finally more troops are coming [but] he is not going to see the benefit of that.

"One source told me that the current thinking in the headquarters of the [Nato-led]International Security Assistance Force is that there is a problem between him and his new boss, General Petraeus - that he [Petraeus] sees him as perhaps a too conventional type of commander, and they wanted some fresh thinking."

Lieutenant General David Rodriguez, at present the head of US military forces in the eastern half of Afghanistan, has been appointed as McChrystal's deputy, a new position.

"These two officers will bring not just a renewal but a focus that we need in 2009," Michael Mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said.

Obama's plan for Afghanistan and Pakistan calls for a military push to reverse deteriorating security, and an increase in civilian aid and development assistance.

Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, met Obama last week in Washington to discuss their joint approach to fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and neighbouring Pakistan.

That meeting came amid claims of that US air strikes in Farah province had killed at least 130 civilians.
Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
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Interesting how he asks and asks for more troops but then gets sacked when the administration grudgingly agrees. I guess that success can't be shown for a commander who disagrees with the strategy.

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Interesting how he asks and asks for more troops but then gets sacked when the administration grudgingly agrees. I guess that success can't be shown for a commander who disagrees with the strategy.
McKiernan played a crucial role in the current troop increase that is expected
to more than double the number of US soldiers in Afghanistan to 68,000 by the end of the year

So why fire him?

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Interesting how he asks and asks for more troops but then gets sacked when the administration grudgingly agrees. I guess that success can't be shown for a commander who disagrees with the strategy.
Grudgingly agrees? Are you fucking insane? It was your motherfucking Bush who wouldn't send troops to Afghanistan, Obama campaigned on this, moron. And this dude is Bush's guy, some bootlick. Petreaus wants a commander who understands insurgent warfare. If anything, you should beglad you have a president who is willing to fight the real enemy instead of invading some other country.

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McKiernan played a crucial role in the current troop increase that is expected
to more than double the number of US soldiers in Afghanistan to 68,000 by the end of the year

So why fire him?
Because he isn't winning. He's been screwing up left and right, he doesn't understand insurgent warfare.

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Because he isn't winning. He's been screwing up left and right, he doesn't understand insurgent warfare.
In order to win he needed extra troops and when they saw his reasoning they agreed and then fired him?? Cmon

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In order to win he needed extra troops and when they saw his reasoning they agreed and then fired him?? Cmon
Insurgent warfare? I thought all American commanders at his level were in the know on this type of warfare. Or maybe I am wrong?

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yup eric.. how many dudes lead the forces prior to petraeus with crappiest of results? at least a couple..

if petraeus decides he needs a change then wtf is the deal.. i think that's a good thing, no? are we out there to fuck around or get the job done?



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yup eric.. how many dudes lead the forces prior to petraeus with crappiest of results? at least a couple..

if petraeus decides he needs a change then wtf is the deal.. i think that's a good thing, no? are we out there to fuck around or get the job done?
Too many changes in leadership are a certain sign of confusion. You are showing the enemy a sign that you should not. They will see this as a weakness and will infiltrate accordingly.

Also this is advertising the change in direction and the enemy have already pricked their ears and will be ready for it. The military is about military and not politics, once the politicians control the military, to this extent, then the military ceases to function properly.

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too many changes?
signs or not, he was pussyfooting around.. hopefully the new guy will take the fight to the talibs, like it should have been done long time ago. obviously the military wasn't functioning properly.. maybe it will now. it's about time.



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