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The decision has been made, so only time will tell.
And it is Obama's to make. He's the C-I-C, this wasn't his guy, he has every right to put another guy in, but even more, it looks to me like this was Petraeus's idea and Petraeus is getting his guy put in charge, and Petraeus is the guy who has been winning. Once again, the GOP bitches while Obama acts like a president. TNT should tell us all why he didn't whine when Shensiki, the commander of US ground forces in Iraq prior to the invasion was sacked. Shensiki turned out to have been right about everything. How come no whine then, TNT?

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And it is Obama's to make. He's the C-I-C, this wasn't his guy, he has every right to put another guy in, but even more, it looks to me like this was Petraeus's idea and Petraeus is getting his guy put in charge, and Petraeus is the guy who has been winning. Once again, the GOP bitches while Obama acts like a president. TNT should tell us all why he didn't whine when Shensiki, the commander of US ground forces in Iraq prior to the invasion was sacked. Shensiki turned out to have been right about everything. How come no whine then, TNT?
Shinseki wasn't sacked. Maybe you should come up for air every once in awhile and stop listening to the broadcasts through your tin foil hat.

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And it seems that the lack of logic is taking place on your place. McKiernan keeps requesting more troops, doesn't get them, asks again, and again, finally the troop increase is authorized, then he gets sacked so another guy can come in with the increase in troops.

It is politics pure and simple.

Again though, feel free to support your assertion that McKiernan doesn't understand insurgent warfare. I have given you some information that he does but for some reason you and other here want to keep ducking.

Got to love how Obama plays politics with the war in Afghanistan.

Who's John Galt.

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Politics my ass. Petraeus wanted him out. He's gone. You want politics, go find Rumsfeld.

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Politics my ass. Petraeus wanted him out. He's gone. You want politics, go find Rumsfeld.
So just to review here:

FTL you were wrong on Shinseki.
FTL you could not supply any evidence to support your assertion that McKiernan does not understand Insurgent warfare.
You ridicule Petraeus and call him Betrayus and now you are ok with his decision somehow.

Oh yeah, I forgot. You even know that it is not Petraeus' choice. He does what he is told by the President.

You said all of this here.

Just so we're clear, which is it?

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