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So you have a great deal of respect for the UN and its resolutions, do you?

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So you have a great deal of respect for the UN and its resolutions, do you?
Nope - not at all.
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^ Revenge and to establish ourselves as the big dog so the others don't mess with us. Iran was too much to bite off so Iraq worked fine. How's that for honesty?
I don't buy revenge as an underlying reason, but am happy to accept it as a powerful factor, i.e. the Bush admin's playing of the revenge card to encourage support from all manner of miscreants on Capital Hill.

First and foremost, it is important to understand that the Iraq invasion was Cheney's baby all along. That truth, which many had long suspected, was subsequently confirmed by more than one disenfranchised insider, and brought sharply into focus by testimony during the Scooter Libby trial. Dick Cheney is no dunce, and he did not seek revenge upon Iraq for something Iraq played no part in.

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Nope - not at all.
Yet you cite violations of UN resolutions as your primary cause to invade. You don't respect the UN, but you do respect its resolutions?

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Yet you cite violations of UN resolutions as your primary cause to invade. You don't respect the UN, but you do respect its resolutions?
You like to read into things and jump to conclusions?
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@ Budd....everything old is new again.
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No sir. I simply read the words.

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The Bush administration didn't have to manufacture - what about the UN resolutions? The UN did nothing after multiple violations - or did you forget that? Iraq poked the sleeping bear(s). That's right - multiple UN participating countries jointly involved - all others went in blindly with the US intelligence.

Maybe we should just turn our heads next time? Or bury them in the sand?

BTW - I am no expert in Iraq - just slept at a Holiday Inn last night.
If these words do not primarily concern the UN, I will gladly stand corrected. Please instruct me.

BTW, it's never good to answer a question with a question. It seems evasive, which I am sure was not your intent.

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Ok - so German Star is a semantics engineer?

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq
The list below is out of date. For resolutions since 2004, please see Iraqanalysis.org

The following is a complete list of Security Council Resolutions (SCRs) involving Iraq. The overwhelming majority of resolution since 1990 relate to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and subsequent developments. The resolutions deemed particularly important are indicated in bold. A full list of SCRs is available here. Guides to the SCRs relating to Iraq are maintained by the Federation of American Scientists (here) and the UN's Office of the Iraq Programme (here); a further compilation of SCRs on Iraq is maintained by Saleh Iraq site (here). The Office of the Spokesman for the Secretary-General has a brief guide to the resolutions on all the UN sanctions regimes, Use of sanctions under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.

2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999 | 1998 | 1997 | 1996 | 1995 | 1994 | 1993 | 1992 | 1991 | 1990 | pre-1990 resolutions on Iraq | Zimbabwe resolutions


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2004
US/UK draft resolution, May 2004
On 23 May, the US and UK circulated a draft resolution (pdf, pdf ) to govern the transfer of power to a caretaker Iraqi government
2003
1518 (24 November 2003)
Establishes a committee (the 1518 committee) to identify resources which should be transferred to the Development Fund for Iraq. This replaced some of the post-sanctions work of the '661 committee', which officially ceased to exist on 22 November 2003
Adopts guidelines on the interpretation of resolution 1483's requirements for transfer of resources to the Development Fund for Iraq. The guidelines have been published as SC/7791 IK/356 (12 June 2003) and SC/7831 IK/372 (29 July 2003).
1511 (16 October 2003) (pdf version)
This resolution:
mandates the UN to 'strengthen its vital role in Iraq' (para 8)
'underscores...the temporary nature of the Coalition Provisional Authority' (para 1), welcomes the Governing Council and its ministers as "the principal bodies of the Iraqi interim administration" (para 4), and supports moves towards self-government under its auspices(para 3)
invites the Governing Council to draw up, by 15 December, a timetable for drafting a constitution and holding elections, in cooperation with, and assisted by, the CPA and the UN representative (para 7 & 8). Requests the CPA to report to the Security Council on progress towards the transfer of power (para 6)
authorises a multinational security force, and urges states to contribute to it and to the reconstruction of Iraq (para 13 & 14). Requests states to contribute financially (para 20), including at a Donors Conference (para 21), by providing required resources (para 22) and by transferring assets of the former regime to the Development Fund for Iraq (para 24)
Requests the Secretary General to report on UN operations in Iraq (para 12). Requests the US to report, at least every 6 months, on military matters (para 25). Decides that the Security Council should review the mission of the UN force within a year, and that its mandate will expire once power has been transferred to an Iraqi government (para 15)
Reiterates the demand made in Resolution 1483 for an International Advisory and Monitoring Board to supervise administration of the Development Fund for Iraq (para 23)
Three earlier US drafts for this resolution were made public, on 4 September, 1 October and 13 October 2003. Postings to the CASI discussion list summarise differences between the first and second drafts, and between the second and third drafts. Amendments to the first draft were publicly proposed by France and Germany, and by Syria. Several of the Franco-German proposals were incorporated into the resolution.
1500 (14 August 2003)
Establishes UN Assistance Mission for Iraq, as proposed by the Secretary General in a report on July 17
Welcomes creation of Governing Council
1490 (3 July 2003)
Disbands the UN Iraq-Kuwait Observer Mission (UNIKOM), and removes the demilitarised zone betweeen Iraq and Kuwait. Comes into force on 6 October 2003.
1483 (22 May 2003)
Lifts non-military sanctions (para 10)
Recognises Britain and the United States as occupying powers ('The Authority'), and calls on them to attempt to improve security and stability, and provide opportunities for the Iraqis to determine their political future. Creates position of UN Special Representative to Iraq, to coordinate UN activity. Requires establishment of Development Fund for Iraq
Summaries and analysis can be found on pages 10-13 of the Open Society Institute paper "Reconstructing Iraq: a guide to the issues", and in this article from the American Society of International Law. A Parliamentary research paper (2 June 2003) provides a British government perspective.
Initial US-UK draft (9 May)
Revised US-UK-Spain draft (15 May)
The Open Society Institute criticized aspects of this resolution, and suggested changes to allow greater supervision of the occupying powers
1476 (24 April 2003)
1472 (28 March 2003)
Gives UN more authority to administer the "oil for food" programme for the next 45 days. Authorizes the Secretary-General to establish alternative locations for the delivery of humanitarian supplies and equipment, and proceed with approved contracts after a review to determine priorities. Other steps called for include: transferring unencumbered funds between accounts created pursuant to the programme on an exceptional and reimbursable basis to ensure the delivery of essential humanitarian supplies; and using funds deposited in the accounts to compensate suppliers and shippers for agreed additional shipping, transportation and storage costs incurred as a result of diverting and delaying shipments
Resolution proposed by Spain, the US and the UK, which would have authorized military action against Iraq (7 March 2003)
Comments of Kofi Annan on 10 March, 11 March and 17 March
Joint statement by France, Russia and Germany in opposition to a UN resolution authorizing force
Statements by France and Germany (19 March)

Where did all of this get us? How much compliance by Iraq was there? If you deny joint coalition forces - you are truely dysfunctional.
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More evidence citing your considerable respect for the UN and its resolutions. Yet you deny this. I do not understand.

BTW, you may want to revisit Post #34 (second to last sentence, first five words). Perhaps "you are truely dysfunctional." is devoid of emotion in a manner beyond my limited grasp. Please advise.

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^ Hang on, I got the script handy.

(cough)

"So, what exactly was the new threat Iraq posed to either the U.S. or the world at large that suddenly, after all those years of containment, required us to 'shock and awe' them?"
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