Working just fine thanks, why little miss dope? Did you think you were on my shit list?
I think this guy is talking some and I repeat some sense. Their is a time when prayer is all that is left, and sometimes it works out. When the Doctors have given up all hope then what is left?
While I respect DR's point of view and disagree with him, there is one point he helped me to see. That is, Why is it that persons who claim to be people of faith use God as a last resort, when all 'hope' is gone? Prayer is supposed to be a personal thing between God and man. Not a public show of belief. Those who claim to have a relationship with God will pray FIRST. Not when all else has failed. So, isn't hypocrisy the true target of this discussion?
To demonstrate this, how many have heard a person who claims the mantle of faith say, "We prayed and prayed but our prayers were not answered." IF a person accepts that prayer is, indeed a power that cannot be tested using traditional scientific means, then, one must also acknowledge that their prayer WAS answered. It was just not the answer they wanted. So, there will never be a true resolution to this discussion. An atheist will say God doesn't exist because a prayer did not yield a desired result. A truly religious person will maintain that prayer is a mixed bag of results, full of yes's and no's. A hypocrite will only pray when all else is lost. Any Biblical scholar would acknowledge that Jesus prayed 'for this cup to pass' (crucifixion) and it did not. So, did that mean his prayer wasn't answered?
So, this discussion is and will remain moot because the power of prayer CANNOT be proven through science and research and the existence of God CANNOT be confirmed or denied using prayer as a proving point. So, those who believe in God will believe through faith and those who choose not to believe are basing their belief in science. BOTH positions, I recognize are equally murky. So, it will continue to remain an argument for the ages.