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Illegal aliens or immigrants?

Immigrants push for reforms at rallies across US
By LAURA WIDES-MUNOZ, Associated Press Writer Laura Wides-munoz, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 55 mins ago

MIAMI – Immigrants and their families gathered at rallies across the country Friday to push for changes to U.S. immigration policy, but as a swine flu outbreak continued to spread, attendance at some events was smaller than organizers had hoped.

The area hardest hit by the swine flu is Mexico, also the native home of many rally participants. There were no immediate reports of canceled events, but Juan Pablo Chavez, a Tampa-based community organizer for the Florida Immigration Coalition, said he and others were monitoring the situation and in close contact with state health care officials.

"If they tell us to halt the events, we will cancel immediately. But for now, we are simply asking people who are sick not to come out," Chavez said.

Organizers sought to channel the political muscle Hispanics flexed last fall for Barack Obama into a new cause: jump-starting stalled efforts to forge a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.

They had hoped crowds would equal or exceed those of last year, when a stringent immigration bill poised to pass in Congress drew massive protests. But early reports suggested turnout would be far lower than in previous years.

In Miami, more than 300 minority rights activists joined with union officials in one of the first local immigration rallies to be endorsed by the AFL-CIO.

"We are not just here for the immigrants, we are not just here for the workers," said Maria Rodriguez, head of the Florida Immigrant Coalition. "We are here for all the families who deserve a better life. Immigrants will not be pitted against union workers — our fates are intertwined."

The Miami marchers gathered across from the turquoise waters of Biscayne Bay, waving signs for immigration reform in Spanish, English and Creole. They also want temporary protection for the state's large community of Haitian immigrants, whose native island has been devastated in recent years by hurricanes and floods.

They chanted "W-I N-O-U K-A-P-A-B," Creole for "Yes We Can."

Thousands were expected at events in Houston, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Denver, Chicago, New York and other cities — mostly in the late afternoon, when workers finished their shifts.

In Chicago, rally-goers unfurled a banner of flags stitched together from countries across the globe. Organizers said they expected about 15,000 at the event, but the crowd appeared to be much smaller.

Waukegan resident Armando Pena said he was disappointed more people didn't turn out and blamed the low numbers on a combination of the flu and tough economic times.

"The economy is so bad they don't want to lose their jobs," said Pena, who organized a contingent of about 50 people.

A line of about 225 marchers made their way down the main thoroughfare in New Jersey's largest city Friday, stopping to recite chants and gather for a vigil in front of the federal immigration building in Newark.

Dozens of Latin American ice cream vendors wheeled pushcarts decorated with bright umbrellas and signs with phrases like, "Say Reform, Not Raids."

Thousands turned out in Milwaukee and Madison, Wis., despite a swine flu threat that closed area schools and forced the cancellation of weekend Cinco de Mayo celebrations.

"It's a country of equality," said Manuel Espera, a 46-year-old fabric factory worker. "We deserve the right to work."

In New York City, participants gathered in Union Square. Immigrant, labor and faith communities also gathered under a light drizzle at Madison Square Park.

Activists' hopes have been buoyed with Obama in the White House and a Democratic-controlled Congress, in part because they believe the Hispanic vote, about two-thirds of which went to Obama, helped flip key battleground states such as Colorado and New Mexico. Many Hispanics strongly back comprehensive immigration reform, and they believe Obama owes them.

The White House announced this week that it would refocus its resources on prosecuting employers who hire illegal immigrants. And a Senate Judiciary subcommittee took up immigration this week for the first time in the new Congress.

But many immigrants are wary. They say the immigrations raids that grew common under the Bush administration have continued since Obama took office.

In Colorado, a march was planned Saturday in Greeley, a rural town 60 miles north of Denver, and the site of a 2006 federal raid at a meatpacking plant, in which 261 undocumented workers were detained.

Greeley is also the place where dozens of illegal immigrants were charged with identity theft last year for filing taxes using false or stolen social security numbers. County judges have since ruled tax records are confidential and authorities were wrong to seize them, but the decisions will be appealed.

"Greeley is the microcosm," said Alonzo Barron Ortiz, an organizer with the group Al Frente de la Lucha, which chose Saturday so workers wouldn't have to miss work.

Miami-Dade College student Felipe Matos, a native of Brazil, said he hoped the marches would raise awareness among those not directly affected about the impact of deportations on families.

"A lot of time you hear the numbers 11 million people, but you don't see the faces, you don't hear the stories of the people," he said.

Matos said many of his friends feel emboldened by what they see as their role in the November election.

"Young people decided to go out and vote and get other people to vote," he said. "Now people feel empowered to make a difference and change policy."


Associated Press Writers Herbert G. McCann in Chicago, Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee and Samantha Henry in Newark, N.J., contributed to this report.

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If illegal aliens and immigrants can't leave behind their cultures of pig-headedness and pig-illnesses they should be shipped home by (properly masked) marauders.
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An effort to learn English would be a good start.
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What about space aliens?
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In CA the PC Libs call them "undocumented workers". Bull shit, they're illegal aliens, period!
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This is not difficult: those with proper documents – known to DHS and authorized to enter the country – are immigrants and welcome. Those without documents are illegal aliens and criminals – they should be arrested and deported as such.

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You of all people should know since they can blow the shit out of Earth they get a pass.
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This is not difficult: those with proper documents – known to DHS and authorized to enter the country – are immigrants and welcome. Those without documents are illegal aliens and criminals – they should be arrested and deported as such.

We all know what the obvious solution to the problem is - but our government pretends that there is no easy solution. If you go after those employers who hire illegal aliens and fine them heavily and take their business license away, the illegals will voluntarily go home. No fences needed, no need to go after them to capture them and deport them.

But we all know the answer - US businesses need cheap labor. Therefore, our government oficials talk about "comprehensive immigration reform". Immigration reform my ass.
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^ That's what gets me. We already have enough laws on the books to handle the problem; we just don't have the spine or desire to enforce them.

Some dereliction of duty charges against the right individuals would, hopefully, send a chilling message that people need to do their damned jobs as sworn or go to jail.

But obviously, America isn't done pussyfooting around with this plague.
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^ That's what gets me. We already have enough laws on the books to handle the problem; we just don't have the spine or desire to enforce them.

When you add the business need/economic engine balance you change the "desire" element dramatically. Arrest and Move out 10-15 Million illegals out who pay taxes but never collect medicare or SS and slam businesses who pay taxes on profits they make ONLY because they have stupidly low labor costs.

Businesses fail and tax revenues drop.

When we get white folks willing to live 10-12 in a two bedroom apartment, sharing one car and expenses, the "it's taking jobs from Americans" will start to rationalize.


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