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Israel/Palestine, Al Qaeda/Taliban, Catholic child sex abuse, Orthodox Jew child sex abuse, Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh, the list goes on and on and on.
With respect, I am talking in millions, you are talking in thousands..

As for the examples, your first is not a religious dispute, the 3rd & 4th are crimes within a religious group (not because of) and the last two were plain nutters. Nobody really knows what Al Qaeda wants, except revenge for 'something'....
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So it's OK then ?



...... Murder ...for religious reasons only of course.
So when did I even say that? Try reading the following sentence there yoo hoo.

A very childish attempt at good ol' misdirection. You and McBear must be pretty good compatriots.

Go back to school (preferably private and religious) and get a real education.

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Timothy McVeigh was a libertarian and DID NOT believe in G*D.
My mistake on McVeigh; I have him confused with another individual and the name will find me probably in the middle of the night.





I didn't even bother with Hitler (too obvious). And I was sticking to the past 100 years.

Hospitals are money making operations - the bar for atonement must be awfully low if you're considering hospitals the case for the benevolence of religions. And anyway, those are overwhelmingly Catholic - probably more a function of meddling than do-gooding.

Finally, to dismiss Al Qaeda and the Taliban as having no connection to religion is hopelessly naive and almost unbelievably ignorant.
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My mistake on McVeigh; I have him confused with another individual and the name will find me probably in the middle of the night.





I didn't even bother with Hitler (too obvious). And I was sticking to the past 100 years.

Hospitals are money making operations - the bar for atonement must be awfully low if you're considering hospitals the case for the benevolence of religions. And anyway, those are overwhelmingly Catholic - probably more a function of meddling than do-gooding.

Finally, to dismiss Al Qaeda and the Taliban as having no connection to religion is hopelessly naive and almost unbelievably ignorant.
Feel free to define down all you want. It still does not change the fact that the basis for our cultures, eastern and western, are based on the discoveries and patronage paid by religious organizations.

You choose to narrow yourself to the last 100 years and see only evil. For that I feel very sorry for you.

I prefer to look at the big picture and see that religion, even with all its faults, is at its core a good thing. Those who are not hypocrites and who live their lives according to the teachings of their God, are generally happier and have more to contribute to help society.

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Feel free to define down all you want. It still does not change the fact that the basis for our cultures, eastern and western, are based on the discoveries and patronage paid by religious organizations.

You choose to narrow yourself to the last 100 years and see only evil. For that I feel very sorry for you.

I prefer to look at the big picture and see that religion, even with all its faults, is at its core a good thing. Those who are not hypocrites and who live their lives according to the teachings of their God, are generally happier and have more to contribute to help society.
Keyhole narrowed it down to the last 100 years, not me. The evil is pretty fucking evil, and the good is pretty milquetoast.

That the non-hypocritical people living their lives according to (select) teachings of God, while admirable, isn't something that religions can claim as a product of their existence. It's a non-sequitur. Those people would be good and decent, with or without religion; just as the bastards would be bastards with or without.
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Feel free to define down all you want. It still does not change the fact that the basis for our cultures, eastern and western, are based on the discoveries and patronage paid by religious organizations.

You choose to narrow yourself to the last 100 years and see only evil. For that I feel very sorry for you.

I prefer to look at the big picture and see that religion, even with all its faults, is at its core a good thing. Those who are not hypocrites and who live their lives according to the teachings of their God, are generally happier and have more to contribute to help society.
To discuss western society without religion prior to the enlightenment and more specifically Darwin is fallacious. There were no real alternatives to superstition of one sort or another. Moreover, the penalties for not 'toeing the line' were harsh and well documented. The religious institutions held the power and the money and accordingly it is not at all remarkable that colleges and hospitals had such origins.

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So when did I even say that? Try reading the following sentence there yoo hoo.

A very childish attempt at good ol' misdirection. You and McBear must be pretty good compatriots.

Go back to school (preferably private and religious) and get a real education.

I had a catholic education ....it turned me into an atheist. I was saved !

Murder is still murder no matter how many times you bless yourself, attend confession pay indulgences or in what invented Gods name it was committed.
Your 'millions of people' would not have been killed if it was not for the hypocrisy of religions.
You can't justify it.


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So in sum, I would say that for millions of people who have been killed in the name of various religions, BILLIONS have been helped.[/QUOTE]
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I had a catholic education ....it turned me into an atheist. I was saved !

Murder is still murder no matter how many times you bless yourself, attend confession pay indulgences or in what invented Gods name it was committed.
Your 'millions of people' would not have been killed if it was not for the hypocrisy of religions.
You can't justify it.

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So in sum, I would say that for millions of people who have been killed in the name of various religions, BILLIONS have been helped.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

And please quote the following sentence that I had written there yoo hoo.

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And now instead of the Church lending the helping hand, people now want the helping hand to come from government.
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My mistake on McVeigh; I have him confused with another individual and the name will find me probably in the middle of the night.
McVeigh and his rhyme & reasonings for doing what he did is more in line with what some of the left have been preaching here for the last 6 or more years about our government.

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